According to this list, they're nowhere to be found(which is where they'll stay till Neal removes his head from his ass and get's Perry on the phone & ends this ridiculous nonsense once and for all).

Anyways, here's the list.

By The Associated Press
Wed Oct 5, 1:01 PM ET



The Top 20 Concert Tours ranks artists by average box office gross per city and includes the average ticket price for shows in North America. The previous week's ranking is in parentheses. The list is based on data provided to the trade publication Pollstar by concert promoters and venue managers.



TOP 20 CONCERT TOURS

1. (2) Dave Matthews Band; $1,395,930; $47.12.

2. (1) Neil Diamond; $1,359,466; $62.11.

3. (3) Kenny Chesney; $1,086,333; $54.32.

4. (4) Anger Management Tour Eminem / 50 Cent; $1,042,169; $64.59.

5. (5) Toby Keith; $839,397; $42.19.

6. (7) Ozzfest; $798,206; $44.45.

7. (6) Coldplay; $795,114; $42.14.

8. (8) Marc Anthony / Alejandro Fernandez / Chayanne; $743,961; $66.97.

9. (10) Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers; $651,464; $38.41.

10. (9) Green Day; $650,316; $39.49.

11. (11) James Taylor; $573,889; $43.13.

12. (12) Destiny's Child; $494,739; $56.87.

13. (13) Vans Warped Tour; $464,376; $26.77.

14. (14) System Of A Down; $438,301; $40.48.

15. (New) Bruce Springsteen; $438,102; $79.42.

16. (15) Rascal Flatts; $418,281; $32.23.

17. (17) American Idols Live; $401,402; $44.48.

18. (19) The Sugar Water Festival; $382,015; $49.10.

19. (16) Motley Crue; $381,965; $40.06.

20. (18) Chicago / Earth, Wind & Fire; $360,507; $41.82.

For free upcoming tour information, go to http://www.Pollstar.com

I don't recall anyone saying that Journey's tour is drawing huge money, but thanks for pointing that out. :)


You know why Dave Matthews is always at the top of these lists? Because his concerts are a gigantic pot smoking festival :D You'd swear you were at a Grateful Dead show! :lol: Damn dirty hippies!

they're 21st?

:rollin: American Idol more popular than Motley Crue???? :rollin:

If American idol is making more money on tour than the Crue and Journey? they should both pack it in.

American Idol is making more on tour than Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and The Gigantour (Megadeth, Symphony X, Dream Theater).

Should they all pack it in too? :6ohboy:

American Idol is making more on tour than Judas Priest (snip).

Should they all pack it in too? :6ohboy:

You mean they didn't? Explain "Ripper" then.
It's all about the retirement funds now.

American Idol is making more on tour than Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and The Gigantour (Megadeth, Symphony X, Dream Theater).

Should they all pack it in too? :6ohboy:

I was being sarcastic. Unfortunately, yeah, maybe the should. This is just more proof yet about what i was talking about when I continuously refer to current music as "shitty". You kinda answered your own reply there. That list addition(AI) proves people don't know dick about good music(or at least the people who continue to attend these concerts by AI.

You mean they didn't? Explain "Ripper" then.
It's all about the retirement funds now.
Um....no. What rock you been under bro? Have you heard Angel of Retribution? CLASSIC Priest album, and they're already working on another CD. The tour is a success, and their hard core fans will always be there for them. If it was about "retirement funds", they'd just keep releasing "greatest hits" CDs like KISS and keep touring playing the same old songs. Instead, they are still creating GREAT music and giving metal fans what they want.

Sorry to say this, but it's THAT line of thinking that's the reason alot of 80's metal bands are struggling. You adopt that "they're old, so they must not be any good" mentality. Thank the Goddess that in Europe people are open enough to accept what's new while not losing their love for what they have had.

I was being sarcastic. Unfortunately, yeah, maybe the should. This is just more proof yet about what i was talking about when I continuously refer to current music as "shitty". You kinda answered your own reply there. That list addition(AI) proves people don't know dick about good music(or at least the people who continue to attend these concerts by AI.
Jeff, you're an okay dude...and don't take this the wrong way, but you don't know dick about the music industry.

Current music isn't shitty at all....current popular music is shitty. Just because a band isn't making top dollar doesn't mean they should pack it in. Why should they? Cause they're sticking to their guns and not selling out, and just playing the music they love?

They might not be making money here in America, but when they fly down to Brazil and play the "Rock In Rio" festival in front of 300,000 people, I don't think they give a shit what the American Idol tour is doing. :lol:

You can make a pretty good living playing music while at the same time flying under the radar of "big time" popularity. Mr. Big was bigger than the Beatles in Japan, then they'd come here and play a club with 200 people in it. Doesn't mean they should pack it in. I'm sure they are all living comfortably from their overseas paychecks.

Besides, there are TONS of new bands from Europe and the States that are making QUALITY rock music, but they aren't the "big thing" right now. Should they pack it in?

Symphony X, Adagio, EdGuy, Dream Theater, Kamelot, etc. etc...all putting out INCREDIBLE music. They play larger venues in Europe, then come here and play clubs and small theaters.

Bottom line, if everyone who wasn't selling out arenas "packed it in", all you'd have LEFT would be the steaming load of shit that calls itself popular music today.

Is that what you want?

*Standing Ovation* :clap:

This is just more proof yet about what i was talking about when I continuously refer to current music as "shitty".


So are you saying the new Depeche Mode is shitty?
http://www.80sxchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41489

If their tour doesn't sell out, should they pack it in as well?

Um....no. What rock you been under bro? Have you heard Angel of Retribution? CLASSIC Priest album, and they're already working on another CD. The tour is a success, and their hard core fans will always be there for them. If it was about "retirement funds", they'd just keep releasing "greatest hits" CDs like KISS and keep touring playing the same old songs. Instead, they are still creating GREAT music and giving metal fans what they want.


Yeah, I've heard it. Warmed over licks from some of the weaker 80's and 90's stuff. If I want "classic" Priest, I sure won't be reaching for Angel Of Retribution. As for Kiss, they had been tossing out new studio stuff. Problem was it wasn't anywhere near as interesting as their early stuff. Same with the Priest circa 2005.
And Kiss was never in the same league as Judas Priest. The Priest never had a bubblegum or disco era. :bouncy:

/salute Pagan.

I agree with those thoughts completely. If a band isnt doing well in America, it doesnt mean they are not doing well in Europe ,Asia, South America , Japan ect.. Hell, if that were the case Queen would have packed it in in the early to mid 80s when they stopped being popular in the States.
You know there are full CDs of these metal bands( and any other 80s band you can think of ) that are released in other countries and not here for this very reason.
I'm not a true metal person but I do appreciate the music for what it is and am glad these guys are still making the effort today because if they werent ,we'd be truly missing out.

Think of this as well, a-ha hasnt had a hit since the mid 80s in the States , they are still here about to put out a new CD , played at Live8, and play to sold out venues overseas.

I could keep going with the examples but you get my point, Its great that many bands we know and love might not get radio play or be the " in " thing anymore but they can still put out some top notch material and be successful regardless.

One question: Where is U2 on this list? Their whole tour is sold out and last time they tour they made over 72 million, it isnt any different this time around...

V

[Jeff, you're an okay dude...and don't take this the wrong way, but you don't know dick about the music industry.
Current music isn't shitty at all....current popular music is shitty.


Thank you and you are as well. I meant "current popular music". You're 100% correct in what you were talking about. it goes back to wehat we spoke on before, the "good stuff" is somehow hidden behind/beneath all the crappy music out there currently. No harm no foul.

I actually applaud bands like: Duran Duran, Tears for Fears,The Cure and so forth for coming out with new discs, despite lackluster sales and followings.

[Jeff, you're an okay dude...and don't take this the wrong way, but you don't know dick about the music industry.
Current music isn't shitty at all....current popular music is shitty. Just because a band isn't making top dollar doesn't mean they should pack it in. Why should they? Cause they're sticking to their guns and not selling out, and just playing the music they love?
I can assure you, I do know about the music industry and how it works. It's my opinion that most of the current music on radio today sucks. Just like you beg to differ, I'm sure there are many more out there who do as well? Album sales are down 9 % again from last year, and it's(decline)has happened every year since around 98. The reason(s) for the decline is simple: not enough great music out there for us to hear commercially. Not to mention quite a few more. Numbers don't lie, most people admit: music just isn't good anymore. Why should they buy a cd today when there's only 1-3 songs on the cd they like? It's different for people like us who appreciate the music and who know who can rock and who cannot. Radio kills alot of bands, and the ones they should be playing? they don't.

I'm glad to see bands who might not sell out MSG still rockin, I was just using the American Idol thing as a bit of sarcasm, don't take it too seriously. I can't remember the time I've bought a new cd, I've had no reason to. I see no reason why anyone would like the show or the people who sing on it? that's of course my opinion and others might beg to differ with me on it? cool.

I can assure you, I do know about the music industry and how it works. It's my opinion that most of the current music on radio today sucks. Just like you beg to differ, I'm sure there are many more out there who do as well? Album sales are down 9 % again from last year, and it's(decline)has happened every year since around 98. The reason(s) for the decline is simple: not enough great music out there for us to hear commercially. Not to mention quite a few more. Numbers don't lie, most people admit: music just isn't good anymore. Why should they buy a cd today when there's only 1-3 songs on the cd they like? It's different for people like us who appreciate the music and who know who can rock and who cannot. Radio kills alot of bands, and the ones they should be playing? they don't.
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff....Go back and read what I said that you quoted. POPULAR music sucks. To make a statement that you do know the music industry, and then to follow it up by saying music just isn't good anymore, truly shows that you DON'T know the industry.

You're basing your entire judgement on American radio. Now stop and think about it. REALLY good rock and metal bands, were they EVER mainstays on American popular radio? No. I never heard Maiden on rock radio.

Think back to the 80's, you had Menudo, Tiffany, Debbie Gibson on the radio along with some really BAD one-hit wonder new wave bands. Then when radio caught on to "metal", it was the pre-packaged hair bands that you heard. Those who knew better knew that Slayer, Priest, Maiden, Saxon, etc. etc. were out there, selling albums and selling out concerts.

There is PLENTY of great music out there. I could give you a list a mile long of bands you should check out who are phenominal. You'll never hear them on American radio, so most people - like you yourself are guilty of doing right now - just say music sucks because you don't know of their existance. Meanwhile in Europe these bands are thriving.

I have about 700 CDs right now of bands that are not mainstream and that will never be heard on the radio. Great, GREAT rock and metal bands that were smart enough to know that the American music industry is - and always WAS - all about what's in NOW. So they focused their attack overseas, and are doing well there.

Ever heard of Kamelot, Jeff? Gamma Ray? EdGuy? Symphony X? Symphorce? Into Eternity? Pagan's Mind? Blind Guardian? Vanden Plas? Adagio? Jorn Lande? Roc Rock? Avantasia? Hammerfall? Iced Earth? Sonata Arctica? Pink Cream 69? Porcupine Tree? Angra? Maybe you should check some of these bands out before making a statement that there's just no good music anymore. If anything, the quality of musicianship has quadrupled in recent years. The players in these bands are mind-boggling.

ANYONE who begs to differ and says that there's no good music anymore just isn't listening. Turn off your radio and do some digging on the web....you'll find some incredible music. Better yet, get satellite radio. ;)

You're 100% correct, I've never heard of any of those bands you mentioned, I'm sure with radio play however, more people would not only hear about them, but possibly support them and buy cd's and so forth? I think we've gotten off topic here a bit, but that's ok. You said you gathered that I knew "dick" about the music industry? I have friends who have signed major label deals and they've said that most of the Current music out today on the radio sucks. We can go on and on about this subject for weeks, and frankly, I'll get extremely bored by it fast. I just wanted to point out that the folks who claimed that Journey were still a semi big drawing band without Perry, that they were not. Am I claiming that Perry is the end all be all of frontmen? no, but he took them to the next level in terms of record sales.


Make no mistake, anyone who tells you they're in the music biz because they enjoy playing music, is probably full of crap. They want the success, the money,everything, that's why they do it. Bands wouldn't exist without fans. Fans make you what/who you are. It'd be great to play music, but not to empty rooms. Nice conversation, but I think no matter what I say, I'd probably lose?


Again, It's my opinion that current radio/music are crappy, and I'm going to stick to it. Like I said, I haven't had a desire to purchase a cd in over 10 years.

THeres about five thousand acts touring, and Journey wasnt in the top 20. Yeah, they must suck these days.

You're 100% correct, I've never heard of any of those bands you mentioned, I'm sure with radio play however, more people would not only hear about them, but possibly support them and buy cd's and so forth? I think we've gotten off topic here a bit, but that's ok. You said you gathered that I knew "dick" about the music industry? I have friends who have signed major label deals and they've said that most of the Current music out today on the radio sucks. We can go on and on about this subject for weeks, and frankly, I'll get extremely bored by it fast. I just wanted to point out that the folks who claimed that Journey were still a semi big drawing band without Perry, that they were not. Am I claiming that Perry is the end all be all of frontmen? no, but he took them to the next level in terms of record sales.
Bro, you missed the point completely. You want to say popular music sucks, I'm right there with you. I have people I know who signed major deals also, (ever hear of Anthrax?) and yes, what's on the radio does indeed suck.

The point is, you said - and I quote - "music just isn't good anymore", and if that's what you want to believe you're more than entitled to it. You're doing yourself an injustice then.

Make no mistake, anyone who tells you they're in the music biz because they enjoy playing music, is probably full of crap. They want the success, the money,everything, that's why they do it. Bands wouldn't exist without fans. Fans make you what/who you are. It'd be great to play music, but not to empty rooms. Nice conversation, but I think no matter what I say, I'd probably lose?
You will in my instance. I'm in the business, but I'm NOT doing it for money. If that was the case I'd be wearing tight pants and singing "La Vida Loca", but I'm playing what I want to play on MY terms. If I succeed, then it's a bonus. However, if I don't, I haven't sold out and I have my integrity. I'm only doing this because I love the music, and no....I'm NOT full of crap.

Again, It's my opinion that current radio/music are crappy, and I'm going to stick to it. Like I said, I haven't had a desire to purchase a cd in over 10 years.
Suit yourself Jeff. Like I said, there's ALOT of good music to listen to if you look a llittle. You choose not to. Your loss, bro. ;)

Need proof the current music scene sucks ass?
http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/eo/20051026/113037690000.html

I'm going to see Journey on Nov. 16th! I'm so happy about it :D Even though Steve Perry isn't fronting the band, they still sound pretty damn good with the new singer :p

Here's my assessment of this conversation. Read it or don't.

Jeff, you said, "Current music sucks." You say that with conviction, as if it were a fact.

Pagan, you disagreed with Jeff, saying, "Current popular music sucks." Again, as if it were a fact.

Both of these statements are opinions and last I heard, everyone is entitled to their own. So, this thread has turned into an "I'm right, you're wrong" thread and you're both trying to outdo each other.

I'm going to go all out and say, "You're both wrong in my opinion." I think there are a lot of good popular bands these days. It's my opinion that Green Day is a good band. It's my opinion that The Killers is a good band. It's my opinion that Nickelback, Puddle of Mud, Linkin Park, Evanessence, Staind, and Hoobastank are good bands. It's your opinion that they suck. You're entitled to your opinion.

Threads like this one piss me off because it's one or two members who try to force their opinion on the rest of the population of the board. C'mon guys....it's an insult to the rest of us. Chill out.

Nothing like dragging a 10 day old ended argument back into the spotlight, eh hun? :lol:

No one was trying to force anything on anyone, or speak for the entire board. Chill out? Good advice! ;)

Sorry....I didn't realize it was an old argument. LOL

You know I'm an opinionated old biddy. ;)

That's okay hun...I'm an opinionated old fart! :lol:

No harm, no foul. :*

UHHHHHHHH does anyone care that Neil Diamond is number 2 on this list...Neil Diamond??????????????

That settles it then. Neil Diamond should be Journey's new front man:thumb:

Personally i'd love to see Neil live.