Probably the greatest and most ahead of its time record ever made "NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS"by the SEX PISTOLS still awesome to this day! Punk never recoverd!

Can't disagree with that. I still catch myself singing "Bodies" from time to time. It always stunned me how so many people from different walks of life liked the Pistols.

Have you ever heard Die Toten Hosen's album "Learning English Lesson One"? Fabulous set of cover versions of most of the old punk standards. Anyone who loves old style punk (like Bogie does) will enjoy this one.

The Sex Pistols are great. Artists as veried as Joan Jett, Megadeth and Motley Crue have done covers of their songs.

The sex pistols were a sham,they were put together like some punk rock boy band by Malcolm McLarin just to make money.If you want to here some real UK Punk give a listen to Peter and the Test Tube Babies,Sham 69,Exploited,Anti-Nowhere League,and the Damned(among verious others)and don't forget those great American bands that started the whole Punk movement,The Ramones,The Dictators,New York Dolls,Dead Boys,etc.

Are The New York Dolls punk? Not that I'm doubting the man!

I consider them and the Stooges Punk because of the influences they had on the bands that would later become Punk.Their simple sound was the basis for the punk sound.Technically their not punk but if it wasn't for them,punk may never have exsisted in the way it did.

Originally posted by cultleader:
<STRONG>The sex pistols were a sham,they were put together like some punk rock boy band by Malcolm McLarin just to make money.If you want to here some real UK Punk give a listen to Peter and the Test Tube Babies,Sham 69,Exploited,Anti-Nowhere League,and the Damned(among verious others)and don't forget those great American bands that started the whole Punk movement,The Ramones,The Dictators,New York Dolls,Dead Boys,etc.</STRONG>

Oh, and MC5 too Cultleader. Can't leave them out. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

You're absolutely right about the Pistols being contrived and created by McLaren. Nobody can deny that. But I think they still had a significant impact. They were the most visible of all the punk bands in the late 70s. They had a large impact on a lot of people that might not have otherwise even noticed the punk movement.

Sham69 are definitely one the coolest bands ever. I remember hearing "Hersham Boys" back in the late 70s and thinking it was one of the best songs I had ever heard (I was about 11 at the time). They hold a place of honour on my all-time list. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

The Sex Pistols might be contrived, but the members themselves inspired so much of the punk movement, which I agree: in turn inspired so many other types of music.

I can't help but like Johnny Rotten's PIL and other projects he did.

he had a lot to say about society, etc, etc..no wonder it annoys the hell out of some people. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

I consider Pistols nothing more than a 50s rockband, just a teeny bit speedier. The only true punk in that band was Sid.

I think they may have turned a lot of people on to punk, but those who started out with Pistols, probably turned elsewhere for the true punkexperience later on. It's like metal, a lot of peopl started out on Twisted Sister, Scorpions etc upgraded to Metallica/Maiden and found there niche from there...But hey I could be wrong, it's just a pattern I've noticed when talking to peolpe 'bout their misucal inspiration...

And truthfully they started me out on punk too, but nowadays it's all Black Flag, Sham 69, UK Subs, Ramones, Sort Sol, DRI, Anal **** (sorry) & Dead Kennedys for me <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Who in here listens/listened to the weltschmerz-sound ?

I can't believe I forgot to mention the Dead Kennedys,(this is culty for those who didn't read the other post)Of all the bands mentioned the one who inspired me most(of the UK bands)was the Exploited.They were the fastest,heaviest,most pissed off,political group of Scottish Punks ever to insult the English ruling class.But all the bands mentioned were(and in some cases still are)great,but it was Wattie(singer of Exploited)who inspired me to get my first Mohawk and between him and Jello Biafra,inspired me to look at the world with a critical eye.(Ah,the birth of a Punk)

culty,
you call it 'cynicism', like Jello and Dead Kennedys "let them eat jellybeans!!"

i've always thought of it as just being 'aware'. you gotta make your own fun, i suppose.. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

Cultleader is right Stooges and NY Dolls r widely considered the pioneers of punk, in as punk is not just music it's an expression, a state of mind, complete with selfdestruction (maybe that's why punk never lasted <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ), DIY-diseases, selfmutilation, POGO the list goes on.

It's not strange that punk evolved in the 60s & 70s considering the general feelgood, everything is beautiful attitude. If u wanna be seen & heard u have to stand out from the crowd, the Punk-attitude DID excatly that...

Yes, DID! I don't think Punk is all that provocative nowadays, the public is used to skinmutilations & other extravaganca. I think if Punk was started today, not many people would notice, and it certainly would'nt grab as many youths as it did in the 70s

I think the thing that everyone has forgotten over the years is punk is not about just being shocking,punk was music from the streets,it was music that gave a voice to a whole sub culture of people who were tired of everyone telling them what was good and what was not.Led Zepplin didn't speak for them,Styx didn't speak for them,Aerosmith,Lynard Skynard,Pink Floyd didn't speak for them,So they decided to speak for themselves and make their own place in the world.People have been saying lately that Punk is dead(or at least very watered down)Punk never died,it just lives underground.It plays and thrives for itself,it gives a voice for all of us who don't care about top 40 hits,boy bands and teen queen crap,rap-core metal garbage and anything else the bloated record industry tries to ram down our throats.
Punk is not a haircut,Punk is not a fashion trend,Punk is not a shock tactic.
Punk is a lifestyle and an attitude.You don't go through a "Punk phase",if you did then you were never a punk to begin with.
I'm almost 30 and I'm a Punk and proud to be one,I've been a Punk since I picked up my first Ramones record(in the very early 80's).I liked other types of music(and still do)but in my soul I'm a Punk and I have never denied that.I have always supported local punk bands because thats where my heart is(Hell,I'm part of the local punk scene)and the day I die,I'll die a punk!
I guess I've ranted enough but I've always been very passionate about who I am and this whole idea of what punk is.

We are the outsiders,always looking in and laughing at what we see!
Long live the underground!!!!!

<FONT COLOR="#6699cc" SIZE="1">[ July 16, 2001 09:53 PM: Message edited by: cultleader ]</font>

yay Culty!

Punk is definitely an attitude. The world has been run by twisted, evil....who lie and use people. Punk was a way to be an individual. It had so many variations in itself. create your own world. That to me is what it was/is about.

ok, it's about time i got my little butt in here. so, how come no one's mentioned The Damned yet? I used to love them. "Alone Again or" and "Jet boy Jet girl" are 2 of my favorite Damned songs. Other punk bands I grew up listening too: The Exploited, Black Flag, Fugazi (i guess they're hardcore, but close enough), Sex Pistols, Siouxsie's early stuff was pretty punk, I think, ummm...what else was there....hmmmm I think the Clash were kinda punk too. Okay, I'm drifting here. Anyway, Vilji is right, punk was definitely an attitude. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

i love the Damned.
but they're usually not categorized as punk, really.
Dulce Decorum, etc, I've usually heard people refer to as sort of Goth if they had to place it.

I really like the Damned too. I had the pleasure of seeing them live in 1999 and they were great. I always liked the song "Eloise".

What happened to that whole "rebel against the world" attitude? Are there any punk/rock bands out there still doing it? It seems like that attitude is pretty much gone today.

Smurf mentioned Sods/Sort Sol from Denmark. I can definitely recommend them, if some of you wants to hear something different than the same 5-10 80's bands.

Punk music and punk bands were shocking to some people. In my mind that is a good thing.

I never knew Sort Sol were punk. But then I only really know their song 'let your fingers do the walking' and the album it was on. And the film the song was in.

Chris

Sods - "Minutes to go" is definitely punk. It's a must buy <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Well, I was never in that much for punk rock, I always thought it was too similar to Metal, just played more rough and dirty.

But I have to admit that there are some bands which are quite impressive, and from time to time some tracks find their way in my CD changer (I listen to that stuff usually during my hot pursuits on the Autobahn... <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ).

Due to my origin, it´s mainly German stuff like Die Ärzte and Die Toten Hosen, but there are also bands like Terrorgruppe, Wizo, Hass and J.B.O. etc which are quite cool.

For the more international stuff...the Ramones are my all-time-faves when it comes to punk. Seen them live...and I was blown away by the raw energy they emerged.

Die Toten Hosen are possibly one of the most fun bands I've ever come across. I just love their Learning English... CD. Fabulous covers and odes to Ronny Biggs.lol.

What does their name translate to Wavey? Why do I have a feeling it means The Dead Trousers?

Originally posted by Bogie:
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What does their name translate to Wavey? Why do I have a feeling it means The Dead Trousers?
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*LOL* you´re perfectly right, Bogie...hope this never happens to you... <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

If you can get your hands on them, get the live recordings from Die Ärzte "Nach Uns Die Sintflut" and "Wir Wollen Nur Deine Seele". Even if you don´t understand the words, the music is just cool...and their cover versions are hilarious... <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by wavemaster:
<STRONG>Well, I was never in that much for punk rock, I always thought it was too similar to Metal, just played more rough and dirty...
</STRONG>

Have to disagree Wave. Metal is far too complicated to be put in the same category as punk, the only things these 2 genres (sometimes) have in common is speed and guitarfx.

If u analyze metal u'll find that it's extremely tight. It's not the noise that people often mistake it for, it's like great ouvertures where everything fits together and is timed perfectly.

Punk on the other hand is often nothing more than old fashioned rock'n'roll (50s style), played faster and with tons of distortion. Punk is back to basics; drums, guitar, bass and vocal, nothing fancy.

For he record: I prefer punk over metal, but I admire the metal-artists the most, as they really know how to play their instruments <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Toten hosen - "learning english is a classic"...if u want other punkcovers try searching LimeWire...I found 30+ great covers of 50s rock, Grease, Sitcom tunes, children's songs and 80s songs <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I heard recently that Hosen bought a non-league soccerteam, can anyone confirm this ??? I wanna get me a jersey <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I'm with you on 'Die Toten Hosen', Bogie. Tote Hose is also slang for 'dead and alive.' At least it was in the 80s.

Chris

I heard Homicide by 999 in the pub yesterday. Hadn't heard that in ages.

I just love the old stuff. :)

999 - wow, that's old. Haven't listened them in at least 6 years. I used to like that song, "Emergency."

That reminds me of a band called, "The Addicts." They were like punk/oi. Very amusing lyrics.

Wrong forum I know. But what the heck:

"Get addicted while you still got time
Get addicted 'cause it ain't no crime
Get addicted get out of line
Get a gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta addicted."

The Addicts were the best. Loved Viva La Revolution and Songs of Praise too. Man, I have to dig that stuff out soon.

Originally posted by 80sSmurf:
<STRONG>For he record: I prefer punk over metal, but I admire the metal-artists the most, as they really know how to play their instruments :)</STRONG>

Smurf, my hat's off to you! Metal musicians NEVER get the respect they deserve. You are one of the few with the sense to hear that it requires MUCH talent to play the genre correctly.

Anyone who doubts that, pick up any CD by Dream Theater....and be prepared to be blown away.

As for punk....loved it back in my CBGB days in the late 70's, early 80's. Loved seeing the Ramones every other week!

Originally posted by Flix
What happened to that whole "rebel against the world" attitude? Are there any punk/rock bands out there still doing it? It seems like that attitude is pretty much gone today.


Hmmmm. Haven't had a good discussion about music for a while so I'll bite Flix. :D

Love 'em or hate 'em, doesn't Oasis fit the bill?

I think with Oasis it's more arrogence than anything else,but thats just my oppinion.

Originally posted by cultleader
I think with Oasis it's more arrogence than anything else,but thats just my oppinion.

You're probably not far off there Cultleader. :D

What about The Strokes? Anyone like them? They remind me a tad bit of Iggy Pop.

I haven't heard much of the Strokes,but from what I've heard their not too bad,very old school feeling.

You're right Xis. That new hit of theirs (Last Night or something maybe?) sounds so much like Some Wierd Sin it's scary.

They remind me a bit of The Fall also. Lot of Cruiser's Creek sounds to my untrained ear. :)