A few bands and some Mexican Christian concert promoters have launched a website (http://www.stryper-pay-back.tk) calling into question STRYPER's business practices, claiming the band unfairly asked for $100,000 to do a Christian metal show which they originally agreed to do for less. The issue is that the band did not show up for the gig yet still kept over $50,000 according to the website. The event also included the bands MORTIFICATION, NARNIA, SAVIOUR MACHINE. Stryper has issued few statements on the matter and, as of this writing, are only planning on reimbursing the promoters with internet sales of T-shirts that would have been featured at the event.


Does ANYBODY think they will sell 50 Grand worth of Tshirts? WTF?

What's even sadder is that the money - $56,500 - was fronted by a small Mexican "underground church".

Nothing like screwing a third world church out of their money. :6ohboy:

I aint innit!!!

I really don't know what to say about this. I am disappointed, though. But if anyone wants to read Stryper's viwepoint on this it's the first page you'll see at:

http://www.stryper.com

Warning, there is religious references on the link I just posted. Notwithstanding my own personal beliefs I am not promoting any religious orientation with that link. It is posted only to reflect Stryper's point of view on the matter for any interested.

I wouldn't fret Bro, I don't think anyone in the metal forum is crazy enough to be offended. Metalheads are more level-headed. :rockon:

I'm still trying to figure out where Stryper gets off charging $100K for ONE show!!!! Dokken, Vince Neil, Warrant, all these reunited acts get like $6K per show, and that's ALOT!!!

Don't tell me "expenses" either, no WAY does it cost 100 large to get Stryper into Mexico.

This statement killed me the most:

" We have all (individually and collectively) asked Stryper to PLEASE pay back ALL 56,500 US$ immediately! We believe it is simply unjust to keep US$ 56,500 for a concert in which they did NOT perform! 56,500 US$ which was courageously raised by poor people who sold their cars, personal belongings, etc...to make this happen!"

:6ohboy:

http://www.80sxchange.com/forums/images/smilies/jpshakehead.gif Makes you wonder....

Picking on Stryper AGAIN? :no: Seems like these guys can never do anything right.

I know media often paints a one sided picture and I for one would like to hear/know both sides before jumping on the flaming wagon. That said, if they did do what they are claimed to have done shame on them!! If ANYONE is paid for a service not rendered ALL of the money and possibly then some should be returned immediatly. That's just not good business no matter who you are!

No one's picking on Stryper, Kerri. Just cause they're Stryper we should ignore an injustice? Would you have said that if we were picking on Gene Simmons again? ;) :lol:

Do you really think they should have charged this small church A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ONE SHOW? It's well documented that they charged that much. It's INSANE.

If Maiden did the same thing I'd be in here saying the exact same words. It would seem that EVERY band involved in that concert, as well as the promotors, holds the same story. Of COURSE Stryper will deny it.

It's not a case of "picking on" though. A band f*cks up, they get called out on it.

No one's picking on Stryper, Kerri. Just cause they're Stryper we should ignore an injustice? Would you have said that if we were picking on Gene Simmons again? ;) :lol:

Do you really think they should have charged this small church A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ONE SHOW? It's well documented that they charged that much. It's INSANE.

If Maiden did the same thing I'd be in here saying the exact same words. It would seem that EVERY band involved in that concert, as well as the promotors, holds the same story. Of COURSE Stryper will deny it.

It's not a case of "picking on" though. A band f*cks up, they get called out on it.

Ok Pagan, here's the deal.. Livesay & TableTops, we split the $100,000 to play in Mexico... huh? huh? whaddyasay? :rollin: We can even ask for outrageous backstage stuff like a carrot tray shaped like Ronnie James Dio, and a stack of bottled water in the likeness of Steve Harris.

No one's picking on Stryper, Kerri. Just cause they're Stryper we should ignore an injustice? Would you have said that if we were picking on Gene Simmons again? ;) :lol:

Do you really think they should have charged this small church A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR ONE SHOW? It's well documented that they charged that much. It's INSANE.

If Maiden did the same thing I'd be in here saying the exact same words. It would seem that EVERY band involved in that concert, as well as the promotors, holds the same story. Of COURSE Stryper will deny it.

It's not a case of "picking on" though. A band f*cks up, they get called out on it.
Absolutely NOT!!! I'm NOT saying no wrong was done here, it still looks questionable to me! I'd say it if anyone I liked was under the scope, but I am not one sided enough not to have followed my comments with a 'shame on them' if it IS true!

In my opinion no one should charge that much to a small church in mexico. If it had been me I'd do it for expense only (tickets down there and lodging & food) and just sell my shirts for a profit. AND that would no where be near $100,000

Stryper has always been an easy target for picking on (not specifically on here) because of their interesting 'styles' + being a Christian band.

I kind of don't think a small church in 3rd World Mexico could've fronted $100k by themselves no matter how bad they wanted to see Stryper. Common sense tells us that.

from Stryper.com:

"If you click on www.revolutionmetalfest.com and when the main page comes up click on the promoters link you will find 3 promoters. The first is Alcance Subterraneo this is the group of people in Mexico. The second is MCM Music which is a management firm out of Germany (notice all the disparaging remarks against Stryper from all those people in Germany). This is the management company who represents Narnia and Saviour Machine. Oh also I thought you might like to know that one of the managing partners in MCM Music is none other than the lead singer for Saviour Machine –Eric Clayton. The third promoter is listed as Rowe Productions the management of Mortification. Of course you probably could see that the management takes the namesake of the lead singer Steve Rowe.

Between these promoters there should have been the experience to pull off this show and the knowledge to get insurance. The thing that really bothers me though is that we were lead to believe that this financial drain is all on the group in Mexico, as is referenced in Steve Rowe’s first letter on the payback site. If the group in Mexico is left holding the bag financially then I must ask where are the other promoters in this disaster. The latest post from the webmaster says that there will be a trust fund set up to help relieve the financial pressure (of which I encourage all to donate to) but who is the webmaster?"

And yes Babe, they have been a target for many years as not everyone has taken a positive view on their profession of Christianity in the genre' of music they represent.

Guys....let us not turn this into a religious discussion. No one HERE is slighting them for their religious beliefs. Maybe in other places, not here.

Also, since every other band that was involved in this show and are claiming Stryper did this are ALSO Christian bands, I don't think that prejudice comes into play in this instance.

Like I said, Gene Simmons gets reamed on a daily basis, and not because he's Jewish. ;)

I hear ya Bro, I hear ya. But when the title of the thread clearly says "Stryper not being very good Christians" (I know you didn't start the thread), that'd lead one to believe they are being judged according to their religion and not just a band that may have done something some people consider unethical. As far as I can recall, I haven't seen a thread entitled "Gene Simmons not being a good Jew". But that might be because it appears as thought he isn't a practicing one. Whatever the case, I'm sure if I found a group that were practicing Wiccans and I found out that they had done something questionable, and then started a thread entititled "So and So aren't being good Wiccans", than I am sure you (and a few others here) would be first to make mention that the actions of the group should not be associated with the Wiccan belief. In fact, I would be disappointed if you didn't as you have strong convictions on what you believe in (and I have great respect for you as a result) even if I don't neccessarily agree with the beliefs themself. :)

But I agree, I don't want to turn this into a "Religious" thread so I will end my discussion on this matter as of now.

This is true....I forgot that the thread was titled that way, and I can see how it would be perceived in that light.

Good point bro....editing now.

PS - Just for the record, if Sully from Godsmack wasn't being a good Witch, I'd call him on the carpet in a heartbeat! :lol: