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Pagan
1-23-04, 12:52 PM
If this case somehow even MAKES it through the justice system, I'm moving to Canada....:rolleyes:

from CNS News:
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Children's Nursery Rhyme Triggers Racial Discrimination Lawsuit
Marc Morano
Senior Staff Writer

(CNSNews.com) - A Southwest Airlines flight attendant's use of a popular children's rhyme - "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe" - has resulted in a federal racial discrimination lawsuit against the airline filed by two African American women asking for unspecified financial damages.

One of the two women suing over the allegedly offensive nursery rhyme claims hearing the rhyme caused her to be bedridden for three days and suffer from "unexplained memory gaps," according to court documents.

The trial was supposed to start Tuesday in Kansas City, Kan., but U.S. District Court Judge Kathryn Vratil delayed the case until Sept. 29.

Southwest Airline passengers Louise Sawyer and Grace Fuller allege they suffered racial discrimination on the flight in February 2001 when flight attendant Jennifer Cundiff said over the plane's intercom, "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; pick a seat, we gotta go." The two women say they were the only passengers standing in the aisle at the time.

Sawyer and Fuller said that as soon as they heard the rhyme, they were reminded of the racist version that starts with the phrase: "Eenie, meenie, minie, moe; catch a nigger by his toe ..."

A more modern version of the nursery rhyme substitutes the offensive phrase with the words, "Catch a tiger by the toe." The rhyme is traditionally used by children to pick someone who will be "it." According to at least one word and phrase historian, the original rhyme using the n-word dates back to about the mid-19th century.

Sawyer and Fuller, who are sisters, had also originally alleged physical and emotional distress as a result of the nursery rhyme but earlier this year, Judge Vratil dismissed that aspect of the lawsuit, narrowing the complaint to the issue of discrimination.

"The court agrees with the plaintiffs that because of its history, the phrase 'eenie, meenie, minie, moe' could reasonably be viewed as objectively racist and offensive," Vratil stated in court papers. "The jury, however, must decide whether Cundiff's remark was racist or simply a benign and innocent attempt at humor."

Cundiff, who is white, disputes that Sawyer and Fuller were the only ones standing on the crowded flight. Cundiff said she had been using the rhyme on several different flights as a humorous way to get passengers to sit. Southwest Airlines employees are known for their folksy manner and casual atmosphere.

Scott A. Wissel, the Kansas City, Mo., attorney representing Sawyer and Fuller, declined to comment for this article.

But according to court documents, Sawyer said she was "infuriated by the [nursery rhyme] comment" and said fellow passengers giggled after it was said, making her feel alienated.

'Unexplained Memory Gaps'

Fuller believes Cundiff intentionally singled out her and her sister. "It was like I was too dumb to find a seat," Fuller complained in the court papers.

Fuller, who has epilepsy, said she was so unnerved by the nursery rhyme that her hands trembled during the trip and she has experienced "unexplained memory gaps" about the flight ever since.

Fuller also maintains that the nursery rhyme incident caused her to be bedridden for three days because she suffered a "grand mal seizure." However, Fuller said she could not medically verify the incident because as a result of lacking health insurance, she did not seek medical help for the seizure.

Cundiff wrote a report about the incident as part of a Southwest Airlines' internal investigation.

"The statement I made on Flight 524 was not racist or discriminating, and I am offended that because I have white skin, suddenly I am a racist," Cundiff wrote. "Maybe those that run around pointing fingers yelling racist should stop and turn that finger around."

Southwest agreed with Cundiff and does not believe the phrase was racist or that she acted inappropriately. Even though Southwest did not ask her to stop saying the rhyme, Cundiff said she stopped because of the controversy.

Wissel said he is trying to get the courts to prohibit Southwest Airlines employees from using the nursery rhyme and force the airline to provide employee training to prevent future racial controversies.

Wissel's clients, Sawyer and Fuller, are seeking an unspecified financial amount in compensatory and punitive damages.

'Ridiculous Lawsuit'

The lawsuit has provided critics of the American legal system more ammunition for their tort reform battle.

"Seems sort of a ridiculous lawsuit, but this is the rise of this litigious culture, where people look to sue at the most insignificant remark," said Steve Lilienthal, spokesman for the Free Congress Foundation (FCF). The group just hosted a seminar last week on Capitol Hill focusing on what it considers the explosion of frivolous lawsuits in America.

"There is no real racist connotation in the phrase. How can you view [that phrase] as being racist? It just doesn't make sense. Most people would look at this lawsuit and be dumbfounded," Lilienthal said.

He sees this lawsuit as part of a larger cultural problem, "one more sign of people who are simply looking to sue," Lilienthal explained. "There is a whole grievance industry set up based on the increasing use of litigation."

This is not the first time the "eenie, meenie, minie, moe" nursery rhyme has come under fire. In 2002, government officials in University City, Mo., a suburb of St. Louis, printed a calendar that had a cover photo of the feet of five children, one bare and the others with shoes with a caption reading, "Eeny ... meeny ... miny ... moe" (alternate spelling). Most of the kids in the photo were African American.

After a city employee complained that the calendar was racially offensive, the city reprinted all 18,000 copies of the calendar with the photo deleted, according to the Kansas City Star.

Shakey
1-23-04, 01:04 PM
Just another prime example of idiocy and the lawyers that serve them. :rolleyes: This stuff has got to end!

Caligula
1-23-04, 01:05 PM
thank God, the poor flight attendant didin't give the children those licorice candies shapped like babies I used to eat as kids... it would have had Rev Al Sharpton guiding the plane into the nearest airport

KimJoy69
1-23-04, 01:11 PM
Oh... puh-freakin-LEEZ!!!! Ridiculous!!! :no:

Caligula... you are a RIOT!!http://deephousepage.com/smilies/rofl5.gif

BrandyBlue
1-23-04, 01:37 PM
Okay, it should be classified, at most, as kind of a dumb thing to say. As to feeling "too dumb to find a seat", I think really she was probably like before. It's an attempt to get money for something that is completely without basis.

Slayergrrl
1-23-04, 01:53 PM
This stuff infuriates me!!! :grrr: Those woman were probably waiting for a lawsuit so they could "Get rich quick" Ya, know what. I'm italian-american i'm gonna sue Alka Seltza for thier "Spicy Meatball" commercial. It's racist.

I really hate frivilous lawsuits! Hopefully this one will go the same way the "McDonalds" and Oreo cookie" one's did.

Rhelawen
1-23-04, 02:29 PM
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:rolleyes:

Metalfan83
1-23-04, 03:00 PM
Well, gee, she claims that it made her feel dumb for not picking out a seat. But - dumb people sue over dumb things. :rolleyes:

Johnny Z
1-23-04, 03:14 PM
:rolleyes:

Two words: Tort Reform.

Taz
1-23-04, 03:29 PM
Un-friggin real!! :rolleyes:

Roemello
1-23-04, 03:54 PM
Eenie, meenie minie, moe... hang these assclowns by the toe :rolleyes: It's just another waste of the court system's time that won't go anywhere.... I don't know why they even try... :rolleyes:

ValJ
1-23-04, 04:05 PM
What amazes me more is that some people actually get monetary awards from juries for stupid shit like this. Not only are there dumbasses who will sue over a papercut, there are usually 12 other dumbasses who think they deserve more than a band-aid. :rolleyes:

nolanbuc
1-23-04, 04:17 PM
:dammit: :bs: :grrr: :barf: :6ohboy:

That's all I have to say about that.

Jasper
1-23-04, 04:44 PM
So, if I never knew about the original version, I am still a racist for using PART of the version that I knew as a child, that was NOT offensive?

PG
1-23-04, 07:44 PM
I always knew it as, "Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a TIGER by its toe" :confused:

Cartoon_Chris
1-23-04, 10:49 PM
It did make it through the justice system... and the jury sided with... the airline.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2780588/detail.html

lostboy
1-23-04, 11:29 PM
What a waste of time and money...at least the two "dumb" plaintifs didn't win :thumb:

TJ
1-24-04, 12:18 AM
I heard about this when it happened, mom works for SWA. Not the guilty party though. :) This is one of the stupidest things to go to court. :rolleyes:

I didn't read the artical, it may of said this. But my mom said the girl was young and had NO idea what the lady was getting bent out of shape about.

For the record I remember it both ways......:bouncy:

Jasper
1-24-04, 12:49 AM
The local free paper here, the Riverfront Times has an annual photo contest, and people submit photos and they caption them. One of the photos were a bunch of childrens bare feet in a circle. The caption was the Eenie Meenie Minie Moe.. THe feet of the children were of four different "races" Caucasion, Black, HIspanic and Asian. A local politician wrote in condemning the paper, the photographer and just about everybody on earth for this "RACIST" photo.


When they interviewd the photographer (a black woman) she said that one of the children (the black child) suggested the caption since all the kids had thier toes showing. The local politican STILL claimed it was racism.

:dammit:

ValJ
1-24-04, 01:21 AM
Originially posted by PoisonGirl234
..... "Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a TIGER by its toe"
I'm offended. I'm contacting PETA and every zoo I can think of, and Sigfreid and Roy. You have threatened tigers everywhere! What is your problem with big cats, Miss Thang? Do you think their toes hurt less than anyone else's?! I just cannot believe your insensitivity to the plight of endangered animals!

That was a joke, for those of you who may not be able to recognize one. :p

DanAria
1-24-04, 04:45 AM
It did make it through the justice system... and the jury sided with... the airline.[/url]

Darn...........they had such a strong case to. :rolleyes:

80sTrivia
1-24-04, 05:37 AM
I always knew it as, "Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a TIGER by its toe" :confused:

That's how I heard it as a young boy, too!!! :confused:

Pagan
1-24-04, 07:32 AM
That's how I heard it as a young boy, too!!! :confused:

Well...in the Bronx, we grew up hearing it the offending way. That's just the way we heard it....those little firecrackers that had a high-pitched whine had a name too that can no longer be used. But as kids, we didn't think of it that way.

jen*
1-24-04, 09:45 AM
I always knew it as, "Eenie meenie miney moe, catch a TIGER by its toe" :confused:

That's how I always said it. :confused:

Slayergrrl
1-24-04, 09:50 AM
Well...in the Bronx, we grew up hearing it the offending way. That's just the way we heard it....those little firecrackers that had a high-pitched whine had a name too that can no longer be used. But as kids, we didn't think of it that way.

Same way we heard it here in East Cambridge. Funny how things can change in 20 years. But When i first heard the rhyme it was the "Tiger" ending. That's how my Mom taught it to me.

jen*
1-24-04, 11:43 AM
Ya know, after all this discussion. I wonder how a tiger could pay $50 every day. Where would he come up with this money? I don't suppose he has a job that pays.

And, for the record, I am familiar with the word that is being referred to. My mother told me early on that it was offensive to say it that way, but I heard it often on the playground at school. I just never said it myself. I don't like that word, and never allowed it to be repeated in my classrooms, though these days, it's used as an affectionate term by members of the offended race. What's up with that? :confused:

Tydestra
1-25-04, 02:52 PM
Oh man :lol:

TopCat
1-25-04, 05:35 PM
though these days, it's used as an affectionate term by members of the offended race. What's up with that? :confused:

:confused: me too.

Tydestra
1-25-04, 06:00 PM
I think I can somewhat offer an explanation... I think that the people that freely use it do so to eliminate its negative effect, sort of a "that word doesn't bother me anymore" type thing. Which is ridiculous to boot. That and they don't say nigger they say nigga. :rolleyes:

TopCat
1-25-04, 06:23 PM
That makes a lot of sense, TY but...When I lived at home my step-dad would have his buddies over they would say 'nigger' Not trying to start an arguement but that's my experience. :)

I am sure we could go on and on expressing both our views. Doubt either would really understand unless we lived each others lives. ;)

Tydestra
1-25-04, 06:31 PM
Agreed... the there's a lot of terms that I can explain since I still live in the projects... but the funniest thing I've ever heard, which is also what I'm called is an Oreo.

Meaning since um, I speak correct english, go to school and have no legal issues (those coppers will never figure out its me anyway) that I'm trying to be white while being black. Of course there's a little hole in their theory since I'm Hispanic :lol:

Will
1-25-04, 06:33 PM
I don't know if it is the same in the States, but here it seems that only a white person is capeable of racism. Any other race can call white people, and each other what they like, and no notice is taken. If white people even make a joke about a "foreigners" name, they are worse that Hitler. Is it the same over there?

ShattyMcPants
1-26-04, 06:47 AM
Agreed... the there's a lot of terms that I can explain since I still live in the projects... but the funniest thing I've ever heard, which is also what I'm called is an Oreo.

Heh-heh.....all this talk about chasing and the catching! an abomination!
but seriously, As brown as my skin is, I am constantly taken for being
Hispanic....and my Wife, whose Mother is Italian-Irish-Germanic mix, and
Dad who was Puerto Rican--- Is constantly taken for being white-- but
she favors her Father's Latin heritage, and considers herself a 'chica'.....
so.....what does it make my Daughter??? Ol' Jim Crow laws state that if
one has a *drop* of Black blood in them, then that makes them ALL BLACk...
I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn, N.Y.-- and still was pretty oblivious
to catching n*%3rs by the toe or seeing any being chased by fireworks...
used the word 'Tigers' myself...Yes --I agree that Lawsuit is frivolous---
and I think that Blacks cannot have it Both ways--- on one hand,
casually using the word 'Niggaz' or the 'original term amongst each other,
and then become offended if outsiders use it-- the best way to take the
harshness out of the word is to NOT USE IT AT ALL. It's a pretty ignorant
word to use, so Blacks have to Doubly immerse themselves deeper in the
ignorance by making the word acceptable?? ah well---sticks and stones
can break your bones, but words can cost a fortune.....excuse for the
disjointed thoughts--- my foot fell through the soap box--

:lol:

Pagan
1-26-04, 09:31 AM
and I think that Blacks cannot have it Both ways--- on one hand,
casually using the word 'Niggaz' or the 'original term amongst each other,
and then become offended if outsiders use it-- the best way to take the
harshness out of the word is to NOT USE IT AT ALL. It's a pretty ignorant
word to use, so Blacks have to Doubly immerse themselves deeper in the
ignorance by making the word acceptable?? ah well---sticks and stones
can break your bones, but words can cost a fortune.....excuse for the
disjointed thoughts--- my foot fell through the soap box--

:lol:

No soap box at all Shatty....truth is truth and you hit the nail right on the head. I never understood the casual use of a word that is so offensive. I've never felt the urge to call one of my paisans "My Guinea"! :lol:

People can't have things both ways...and if even Richard Pryor learned what that word did to people and stopped using it, ANYONE can. ;)

ValJ
1-26-04, 02:42 PM
I don't know if it is the same in the States, but here it seems that only a white person is capeable of racism. Any other race can call white people, and each other what they like, and no notice is taken. If white people even make a joke about a "foreigners" name, they are worse that Hitler. Is it the same over there?
It's the same way here. :rolleyes:

The word 'nigger' has had the mean stretched so far beyond recognition it's not funny. The word means "a lazy, stupid person". Wouldn't the term fit the white people who owned the slaves, then, since the slaves were doing all the work while they sat on their privileged white arses?

It's stupid to be offended by a word you use everyday to describe your pals. :rolleyes: And why can't I scream "racism" when I'm called a 'cracker' or a 'honky' or whatever? It's a double edged sword, racism, and not only whites are guilty of wielding it.

TJ
1-26-04, 08:17 PM
Is that a new avatar TC? You look a little different, did you grow a beard? :lol: :D

TopCat
1-26-04, 08:37 PM
Is that a new avatar TC? You look a little different, did you grow a beard? :lol: :D

NO!!! :irked: That's how I look in the morning. :p :lol:

XXX
1-26-04, 10:31 PM
:lol: Hehe.

I agree with what has been already written here :)



Well...in the Bronx, we grew up hearing it the offending way...


Yeah, that's how it was said SoCal too.