Boogie Rights - Villege Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0248/romano.php)

Stupid. There is no other way to describe it. We are in a financial crisis, and yet our elected city leaders find time to persue the end of Legal dancing in NYC night clubs. Don't they have anything better to do, I don't know... like um, rebuilding the city??

In 1999 (okay, we had no worries, stupid things like this was okay), our blissfully no longer in office Ex Mayor Rudy Giuliani dug up an older than dirt cabaret law that dates to 1926. Basically, if you dont have a carabet licence, there can be NO dancing whatsoever in your club.

Our mayor now, Bloomberg (spoiled rotten little... argh... party pooper) has followed suit with Giuliani. Only 316 clubs in NYC have their license. All others get summons at a whim of the Vice unit officers of the police dept. This has resulted in a decline of tourist, lost of revenue and lack of jobs after hours.

Now unless I'm stupid, we need money right badly right? As a city we're all dead broke. Clubs make money, people spend... the city gets it. And of all the pointless, meaningless things to ban!

Dancing... we can't even dance anymore!!

:rant: :mad:

Sorry about this folks... but I've worked with New York Nightlife Association (NYNA) in the past. I just think its a stupid law and I sort of had to rant a bit about it.

**busts a move in total defiance of the utter stupidity of the people in charge**

[reads this article] This is the -stupidest- bloody thing I ever heard!!! Regulations on -dancin-??? What is this, Nazi-fricken-Germany? How can ya place a ban on a spontaneous human expression? An why in the name o'nine Hells are they wastin policemen on this kinda bullshit? As far as I know, NYC don't have 'nough cops as it is. An they're wastin police resources on this codswallop? The police should be goin after -real- criminals, like the bloody wanker what scared Xandra ta death an stole her purse when we was there. [growls] The world, an it's rules just get stupider every bleedin day. Makes a bloke wish for Anarchy.

Kinda reminds one of the movie, Footloose doesn't it?

I'm getting outta this town!!! :irked:

And people say the South's laws are backwards...:lol:
A license to dance? Who ever heard of that? I can understand people not wanting loud music interupting their sleep, but NO dancing at all? Sheesh! :rolleyes:

Scarilege!!!! I love this city, I just bloody hate the people who's been running it!

And you're so right on the lacking cops... what I forgot to mention is that firefighters have been also part of the cracking down of illegal dancing.

Its just bizarro world man...its pointless. Know what I think, the people trying to ban/limit all dancing just have 2 left feet.

You heard me, its a massive conspiracy of the people with no movement! :laugh:

Its our "Quality of Life" laws started by Rudy... which has done nothing but kill the quality of life in the city. Stupid rules by people that dont know what the fluck they are doing with it.

i don't know what to say except that this new law is the stupidest thing since well we elected bloomberg to office. the mfer says the city needs the $$$ right? so i agree with ty. ppl like to dance so let them dance.

it's simple really

club+dancing+alcohol+music=$$$ for the city.

maybe the obivious solution is to make the bastard bloomberg pay for it all.

Maybe you have a point, making Bloomberg pay. Hell he brought the election, he can also pay off all of our money issues

Maybe Mayor Bloomberg could use some of his family's billions to subsidize the city, especially in light of bone-headed decisions like this that cost the greatest city in the world lots of money in tourism, tax and job revenue!!! :rolleyes:

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard! Why would they want to do something like that? Like you said Ty, they should be concentrating on rebuilding the city.

Originally posted by Tydestra
Its our "Quality of Life" laws started by Rudy... which has done nothing but kill the quality of life in the city. Stupid rules by people that dont know what the fluck they are doing with it.

I won't get too detailed because we're not supposed to discuss politics in here, but Ty...you LOVE to rail about Rudy! Yes, he made some decisions that were questionable, but I don't believe you were old enought to remember the David Dinkins administration in NYC. If you were, you would have noticed how Rudy turned Times Square from a cesspool into a place where tourists could actually come, SPEND MONEY, and not be harassed by hookers, pimps, junkies, and thieves.
Rudy put the city on the map, Bloomberg will drag it back into what it was when Dinkins was in office. True Rebel says he sometimes wishes for anarchy.....come to NY in about 2 years Reb, Bloomberg will have reduced the city to that by then. ;)

Originally posted by Taz
I'm getting outta this town!!! :irked:

Like this effects guys like me and you bud! :lol: When's the last time we went out dancing? We're like Ralph & Norton......:laugh:

The "caberet" law was a big issue a few years back in our little town. There was an after hours club, they didn't sell alcohol..you could bring in your own and dance though.

Someone wanted to shut it down because it was taking business away from his own after hours club.

I forget the entire situation but it got to be hilarious each weekend when Neon's was given a ticket for staying open past "caberet" hours or something like that.

All those tickets (about 50 weeks worth) were just thrown out of court.

Pagan, I remember Dinkins well enough. As for cesspool, its not gone. Rudy did nothing to kill the porn and filth in Times Sq. That's the mistake everyone makes, just cause they don't see it. All the porn shops, hookers and dealers are now up on 8th ave instead of being on actually Times Sq and the ones still in Times Sq, are operating behind a front business.

Put the city on the map? :p We've always been on the map. :lol: This dire need of money isn't only placed on Bloomberg's feet. 1.2 million dollars was used by Rudy for security on his (gasp) mistress! 24/7 Rudy is just two faced... that's why I've always rail on him.

As for Bloomberg, all he has is 2 yrs, that is that... he won't make another term.

On topic... that law is pointless... plenty of times I've been in clubs w/o the Caberet law... we've worked around it :lol:

This does remind me of Footloose now.

I watched Footloose again... it does remind me of it :D:D

I think I should get people to protest in Times Sq, rent out the giant TV on the Virgin there and show Footloose while we protest :lol:

Originally posted by Tydestra


I think I should get people to protest in Times Sq, rent out the giant TV on the Virgin there and show Footloose while we protest :lol:

Actually that's a good idea if you really can do that. And if you really want to protest. :p

Dance police....:laugh: Man, now I've heard everything....:lol: And they wonder why there's a high crime rate...they're chasing people for the stupidest things imaginable like this instead of going out and layin the smackdown on the real criminals out there :rolleyes:

What a world, what a world...:lol:

Well, that goes to the top of my all time "I Can't Believe This Is F---ing Real" list. I don't dance--it is not a pretty sight when I try--but I totally believe that everyone should be able to. So what if it's part of a religious ritual? What if it's something like a Greek wedding where people dance to celebrate their joy? This is a huge waste of time and money, trying to kill something that makes people happy and relaxed. God forbid there should be any good feelings out there.

Slowly,one by one,state by state,this country starts to resemble Nazi Germany.One day we'll all have to wake up in the morning,salute a picture of "Der Furor" and go off to work in some factory,hoping that our loved ones aren't being fed into some giant oven...........Sad indeed.

Originally posted by cultleader
Slowly,one by one,state by state,this country starts to resemble Nazi Germany.One day we'll all have to wake up in the morning,salute a picture of "Der Furor" and go off to work in some factory,hoping that our loved ones aren't being fed into some giant oven...........Sad indeed.

That's a little exaggerated, ain't it Culty? :lol:

Originally posted by Pagan


That's a little exaggerated, ain't it Culty? :lol:

Well...it's kinda true. :lol:

Originally posted by Shortie Blonde


Well...it's kinda true. :lol:

Ah.....no....it's not. At least not in my neck of the woods. Somehow, I don't think someone like me, being entirely middle class, could own three cars, a nice place to live, do whatever the hell I want and go wherever the hell I want WHENEVER the hell I want, and have tons of musical equipment and time to enjoy all of it if I lived in a place akin to Nazi Germany.

You know not of what you speak, my dear. Travel around a bit, then let me know if it's still true. ;)

The right to dance is not for everybody the same.
Creating a save place is similar to repairing the streets in Manhatten for the introducion of the Maybach-Mercedes benz (like they did a month ago or so).
The people in Berlin have their private locations for parties but the police is behind everything that has to do with
money.


input=result ;)

Good one Culty :lol:

Apples and Oranges Shortie
Pagan... (shockingly :lol: ;)) is right, Nazi Germany is a state that unless we become that desperate again (Hitler was voted in full democratic press with the promise to pull the Germans out of a depression that was worse than the one we went thru) will never see light of day.
Plus, for all his evil, Hitler was brilliant... there isn't someone with that sort of smarts to pull of something akin to what he did in this time and age. So we, unless out of fear sign off on all of our freedom or stop protesting stupid regulations... we have nothing to worry about.

And that concludes the this segment... ladies and gents :)
Since that was all totally off topic.

Back to regulating Dance... :lol: its not working :p

Originally posted by Pagan


That's a little exaggerated, ain't it Culty? :lol:

Well I am the king of exaggeration!:D

Originally posted by cultleader


Well I am the king of exaggeration!:D

One of the reasons I dig ya, buddy! :D

The ideology of nazi Deutschland isn`t only one leader like the Führer Adolf. All that what has happened at this time is one of the worst things that ever happened on this earth.

(I`m quite shure this is a thread about history and not politics- related)
:D

On a lighter note, Toronto still has (not sure if they changed it or yet or ignore it) as law dating from the 1800s (or was it the early 1900s?) where you are fined $10 for swearing in front of a woman :) But, as you can guess, they never enforce it ;)

Originally posted by Pagan
True Rebel says he sometimes wishes for anarchy.....come to NY in about 2 years Reb, Bloomberg will have reduced the city to that by then. ;)

Heh. Not that sort o'anarchy, mate. Under -true- anarchy (lack of an official centralised government) people would police -themselves-. Those that couldn't o'course, would prob'ly end up takin themselves out one way or 'nother. Real anarchy ain't chaos, there's still mutually accepted rules, but the people enforce it rather than gov'ment hirelings. There's more ta that o'course, but then I'd be gettin too political with this board. ;)

An under an anarchial system, people'd be free ta protect themselves an their rights - i.e. I coulda hunted down that bloody mugger an gotten Xandra's purse back meself. (Those what don't think that's fair have ta understand somethin bout me - I believe in the "Live by the sword, die by it" philosophy.)

I just think people'd be better off rulin themselves. Then you'd -really- hear th'voice o the majority. An somehow - I don't think th'majority would be makin laws against things like dancin. ;)

I knew what you meant, but true anarchy should be filed right next dreams of utopia in things that will never happen.

And aye, this has been getting a bit to polictics happy isn't it?

On another note, bloody hell a law against swearing in front of a woman? Now that is just bloody well silly :p What if a woman swears? :lol:

Originally posted by Tydestra
I knew what you meant, but true anarchy should be filed right next dreams of utopia in things that will never happen.

Oh I know it'll never happen, love. Too many glory-seekin idiots out there'd ruin it fer the rest o'us. Nice idea, tho. An prob'ly th'only form of "government" you'd get me ta back.

What was this topic about again?;) :D

:lol: About the anti dancing laws being enforced in NYC :lol: