View Full Version : Jose Conseco retires


Jasper
5-14-02, 06:16 AM
Should he be in the Hall of Fame? Does his stats warrant it? I will reserve my opinion for later.

nolanbuc
5-14-02, 06:29 AM
I heard about this yesterday. Good question, Jasper. I think he'd be a shoo-in if he'd made it to the 500 HR plateau. Although that is a somewhat unfair criteria, it unfortunately carries alot of weight. I'd like to say he makes it, but I have my doubts.

Cartoon_Chris
5-14-02, 04:14 PM
I say no, he's borderline at best. Home runs have been pretty cheap since '93 (about half his career) and 500 HRs just isn't as impressive as it used to be. There are a number of active players who are on pace to exceed that, it's time to raise the bar on that milestone.

He doesn't have much else besides that - not a great batting average, a poor fielder, and not a very nice guy. You might not think that last one should matter, but it does. Maybe if he didn't have so many injuries...

But maybe he could get into the blooper Hall of Fame for that ball off his head and over the fence. *BOINK!*

Caligula
5-14-02, 04:16 PM
I don't think he should make it, at one time 400 home runs and 3000 hits ensured you'd be going to Coopertowns (I think the only retired player with 400 hr's not in the hall of fame is Darrell Evans), however the last decade has seen a rise in homeruns and many players have or will be surpassing 400 and 500 before they retire. Canseno's average is only .266 which is extremely low, considering when they voted Andre Dawson in they were concerned about his average being low and it was .276 (I think the 3rd lowest in the Hall of Fame) . Jose's defensive skills are horrendous and has spent close to the last decade being a DH, he didn't even get 1900 hits. I agree for a few years in the late 80's early 90's he was arguably the best player in the game, but I'd rather see players going to the Hall of Fame with more longivity, and all around better ball players

Atomic Bulldawg
5-16-02, 07:04 PM
I think he will fall short. He had some great years in the late 80's and early 90's(especially 1988, when he became the first and only player to reach the 40HR-40 steal plateau) , but injuries held him back later on. He seemed to get more attention for his off the field antics and having a ball ball off his a noggin for a homer than his production.
If he does get in, it would be by way of the Veteran's committee after is BBWA eligibilty expires.

Jasper
5-18-02, 07:44 AM
Well, I think he should be in the hall, and I will say it is because he did bring a new aspect to baseball, along with Mark Mcguire. They were the first BIG MEN to play ball, and hit those towering homers as a tandem. He had speed, hit well, and was a definate FORCE to be reckoned with in the late 80s. Without injuries, he would have been a sur fire 600 or 700 HR hitter. If you take the total number of games he played, it equals 11.5 seasons. WIth that taken into consideration, he AVERAGED:
40 HRs a year
163 Hits a year
30 DOubles
1.2 Triples
122 RBIs
79 Walks
17.3 Stolen bases
and had an on base percentage of .353 over his career.
I dont think those are BAD numbers at all. Any team in the league would LOVE to have a guy with those kind of numbers today!
I vote for the HALL, but I got no official vote.

Cartoon_Chris
5-18-02, 11:49 AM
He also averaged getting caught stealing 7.65 times per season, for a SB success rate of 69.3%. The 'break-even' point, which you have to beat in order to make stealing bases something that is likely to help your team, varies from park to park but is somewhere around 67%. So he may have been above average in that area but not by much.