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space-invader
5-05-02, 10:37 AM
OK...it's less than a month away from that time again! The BIGGEST sporting event on the planet is about to start. Somewhere in the world, riots will occur, people will die of heart attacks, even wars might break out (who knows, it has happened before).

Here is my (fairly) quick rundown of what I predict will happen in the first round:

Group A:
France
Uruguay
Senegal
Denmark

Seeing Uruguay in the tourny makes me wanna cry :cry: (they beat off the aussies to get here).
France still have most of the players from their world cup and european cup winning sides, and will be very difficult to beat especially with Zidane playing at a mindblowingly level...deserve their favoritism for the tournament. The only thing I think that can stop them is themselves (Barthez, their goalkeeper is sometimes good at doing that)
Uruguay are a little hot and cold and were pretty unimaginative against Aust. in Aust. but when they played in Montevideo (and had Recoba playing) they were a totally different side.
Senegal are in their first finals, so they are really an unknown quantity. They should be entertaining to watch.
Denmark are back again, and are always good value with many quality players in the big european clubs, albeit maybe not the power they were 10 years ago.

My prediction: France to win the group comfortably. It's a real toss-up for the runners up spot. I'll take a stab at Uruguay.

Group B:
Spain
Slovenia
Paraguay
South Africa

Spain has to be the biggest under-achievers in the history of the World Cup, with so much talent and two of the most powerful club sides in the world to get experience in big games with, it makes you wonder: can they shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN?
This group should really hold no fears for them. The first game against Slovenia will be critical as they tend to lose their first game in past tournaments (and their nerve).
Solvenia may appear to be lightweight, but don't forget they did make the European Cup finals 2 years ago and played pretty well. Much will depend on attacking midfielder Zahovic.
Paraguay are back again after playing quite entertaining football 4 years ago. Unfortunately, their larger than life goalkeeper who takes all thier free kicks near goal Chilavert has two matches left of a 4 match ban to serve so he will only appear in the last of the group1 stage games. Whether they can survive without him is uncertain.
Bafana Bafana are back again, hoping to do a little better this time. They are the sleeping giant of african football, but i believe it is not quite their time as yet.

My prediction: Spain to top the group (they can't go on underachieving forever) with Slovenia just pipping Paraguay for second.

Group C:
Brazil
Turkey
China
Costa Rica

Brazil, runners-up from 4 years ago were just AWFUL in qualifying for this tourney. You can't imagine them playing that bad in the finals. They seem so heavily dependent on Ronaldo, who's been mainly sidelined due to injuries. If he is fit and firing: watch out, if not, well.....
Turkey are one of the big improvers of Europe. They made the quarters 2 years ago, their club sides are promonent in European club championships, and have some high quality players plying their trade in big European clubs.
China has finally made it to the big stage (helps having the tourney staged in Asia with the extra asian spots available). Bora Milutinovic is back again!!! This guy is unbelieveable, taking 5 different sides to the finals. Being based in Korea will help them, with probably zillions of supporters pouring over the border to watch them. They're gunna need every little bit of help they can get!
Minnows Costa Rica, who won the CONCACAF group will be of nuisance value, and may be capable of an upset (they beat Mexico in Mexico in qualifying so they're not THAT bad).

My prediction: I'll go a little controversial and say that Turkey will win the group, with Brazil taking second

Group D:
Korea
Portugal
Poland
USA

Being a co-host, Korea will have a huge advantage. They'll need it cause in previous world cups they have been pretty weak (been in 5 finals and have yet to register a win!).
Portugal were the suprise packets 2 years ago in the european cup, finishing 3rd. Most of that team will be here, and with Luis Figo, and Rui Costa in there, they will be tough to beat.
Poland were a strong outfit a long while ago, and finally waking up so to speak. Nigerian-born Emmanuel Olisadebe has made a huge difference to this side, with Poland comfortably qualifying for the finals.
USA? What are they doing there? It will be a major shock if they draw a game let alone win one! How they allocate 3 spots for CONCACAF is beyond me (yes, i am bitter that oceania has only half a spot)

My prediction: Portugal to top the group comfortably, with Poland just squeezing out Korea for second

Group E:
Germany
Ireland
Cameroon
Saudi Arabia

What's a world cup without Germany or Brazil? Amazing that both had a serious struggle just to qualify for this tournament. After being absolutely whalloped at home by England, it looks like Germany has recovered a bit of their power. They have really suffered the last few years by Effenberg's boycott of the national side. It looks as though they have finally found a decent playmaker in Ballack, and of course they have the best goalkeeper in the world in Kahn. Still, I think they are a better bet in 4 years time when they will host the next tourney.
Ireland has snuck back into the finals. Man U's Roy Keane is their larger than life figure in the side, and much will depend on him (and his temper).
Cameroon are the most consistent African side, and will be a real threat. Their style of play is what Brazil used to be. It seems only a matter of time before an African nation wins the World cup, and these guys are as likely as anyone, though probably not yet. Could go far.
The Saudis are here again, and are rather fortunate to do so really. Iran had the group stitched up, but inexplicibly lost to Bahrain. The Saudi's are fun to watch and have some really talented players. Eight years ago they made it to the second round, but they might be struggling to do that in this group.

My prediction: Germany and Cameroon to make it through

Group F:
Argentina
Sweden
England
Nigeria

In every World Cup, there is always a "group of death". Well this is it! The two sides that miss out here will probably count themselves very unlucky.
Argentina romped it in the tough south american qualifying group, and are probably favorites for the whole tournament behind France. So many big stars in big clubs: Batistuta, Crespo, Gonzalez,...the list goes on.
Sweden had a pretty lousy european championship 2 years ago, but qualifyed comfortably for the finals. I don't expect them to be a lethal attacking side, especailly with the other 3 sides in the group having alot of attacking flair, but to instead try and grind out results.
England...well what can you say? They're still crowing about their demolition of Germany. I have to say this is probably their best side since their unlucky 1990 semi-final side, maybe even better? They have two absolute matchwinners in Owen and Beckham (who needs to be fit and firing). Eng vs Arg game should be interesting, especially watching to see if Beckham has learnt from last times fiasco. Having said all that, England always seem to find the most unluckiest way to get knocked out of a world cup, and it's rather ironic that they happened to be drawn this group. If they survive this stage, expect them to go far.
Nigeria round up this group, and are certainly no pushovers. Players such as Jay-Jay Okocha and Kanu can unravel any defense. They are quite an attacking team, and will cause problems to the other teams.

My prediction: Argentina to top the group, with England to sneak second spot


Group G:
Italy
Ecuador
Croatia
Mexico

At every world cup, the azzurri are expected to win by their home fans. Anything less is a total failure. They have probably the tightest defense out of all the teams bar none in the whole tournament. They did make the final of the european championships 2 years ago, but ultimately lost to France. They have a good attack, but seem to be lacking that one superstar attacker (wouldn't Owen be a nice addition if he were Italian!) Italian club sides are not as strong as what they used to be, but you only have to look at Spain to see that that's no real indication on the national sides form!!!
Ecuador were certainly the suprise packets of Sth American qualifying. Their first world cup finals, but it certainly was no fluke. Probably the hardest side to predict. I will be interested to watch how they go.
Croatia were amazing 4 years ago, finishing 3rd, but have dropped off badly since then. A lot of their star players back then are past their best or have gone. I don't expect alot from them in this tourney as they are really in a transitional stage.
Mexico, for once, struggled to qualify from the weak CONCACAF region, which is a real worry. They are not beating up on Canada or on some tinsy island nation now...they're up against the big boys now.

My prediction: Italy to top the group followed by Ecuador

GROUP H:
Japan
Belgium
Russia
Tunisia

Japan must of been rapt about the draw. Don't think they could have ever dreamed of an easier group than this. Will it be enough? Will the home crowd get them over the line? It will be tough....
Belgium's gotta be happy...having their great rivals Holland not making the finals and a particularly weak group...life is good! Wilmots is still the heart of the side, but losing their key striker Mpenza to injury is a blow.
Russia are another underachieving side over the years. The breakup of the soviet union has been a mixed blessing for their fortunes. Nothing really excites about this side, but they just might prove me wrong.
Tunisia will probably be the most entertaining team in the group, having that African flair to their game.

My prediction: this is a very tough group to predict as none of the teams are powerhouses. I'll take a stab at Belgium to top the group with Japan conjuring a miracle and finishing second!

Chasey
5-05-02, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by space-invader
England...well what can you say? They're still crowing about their demolition of Germany. I have to say this is probably their best side since their unlucky 1990 semi-final side, maybe even better? They have two absolute matchwinners in Owen and Beckham (who needs to be fit and firing). Eng vs Arg game should be interesting, especially watching to see if Beckham has learnt from last times fiasco. Having said all that, England always seem to find the most unluckiest way to get knocked out of a world cup, and it's rather ironic that they happened to be drawn this group. If they survive this stage, expect them to go far.


Wow, that's one heck of a preview SI! You certainly know your football:thumb:

As for England, there is no real euphoria over here regarding our chances. This is not yet a side that I feel is good enough to win the world cup, and the main reason for this is that the defence is simply not good enough when compared to thequality of the 1990 defence.

Sure, Beckham and Owen are huge talents but it will take more than that. And who will partner Owen up front? Heskey is not good enough in many peoples opinion and there is really nobody else.

Sure, under Erikkson anything is possible and the quarter finals would be an achivement. But I have to predict that the World Cup final is not going to involve England this time around.

My picks are: France, Brazil, Portugal or Italy.

Chasey
5-05-02, 04:33 PM
.....my home town Football team Cheltenham have a promotion playoff final at the Cardiff Millenium Stadium tomorrow, and should they win they will be promoted to Nationwide League Division 2 (just 2 behind the Premiership!).

Come on boys!:D

space-invader
5-06-02, 06:05 AM
a side named Rushden & Diamonds doesn't sound too threatening to me...hey they'll romp it in (i think)

I agree, England's defense is a little shaky...they really need a commanding presence back there, still, I think with a little bit of luck, they could progress quite a ways into the tournament...making the semis isn't out of the question
they will probably have to top the group...if they finish 2nd then France will probably be waiting for them in the next round

France is really the standout team...they'll be very difficult to beat
I agree with ya on Portugal and Italy, but Brazil I am not convinced about them at all...Argentina look a better bet to me

sketcher
5-06-02, 08:27 AM
I hope Italy wins as I'll be on a tour during the World Cup! Can't have the entire country down in the dumps while I'm trying to shop and stuff ;)

Bogie
5-06-02, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by space-invader

Group E:
Germany
Ireland
Cameroon
Saudi Arabia

Ireland has snuck back into the finals. Man U's Roy Keane is their larger than life figure in the side, and much will depend on him (and his temper).


Hmm. Knocking out Holland and drawing twice with Portugal is hardly what I would call sneaking in :)

It's gonna be a great World Cup though. It will be messy here. Most game times are between 2:30am and 7:30am our time.

I'm gonna be real tired and grumpy for most of June.

But I cannot wait. :)

wavemaster
5-06-02, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by space-invader
Group E:
Germany
Ireland
Cameroon
Saudi Arabia

What's a world cup without Germany or Brazil? Amazing that both had a serious struggle just to qualify for this tournament. After being absolutely whalloped at home by England, it looks like Germany has recovered a bit of their power. They have really suffered the last few years by Effenberg's boycott of the national side. It looks as though they have finally found a decent playmaker in Ballack, and of course they have the best goalkeeper in the world in Kahn. Still, I think they are a better bet in 4 years time when they will host the next tourney.
Ireland has snuck back into the finals. Man U's Roy Keane is their larger than life figure in the side, and much will depend on him (and his temper).
Cameroon are the most consistent African side, and will be a real threat. Their style of play is what Brazil used to be. It seems only a matter of time before an African nation wins the World cup, and these guys are as likely as anyone, though probably not yet. Could go far.
The Saudis are here again, and are rather fortunate to do so really. Iran had the group stitched up, but inexplicibly lost to Bahrain. The Saudi's are fun to watch and have some really talented players. Eight years ago they made it to the second round, but they might be struggling to do that in this group.

My prediction: Germany and Cameroon to make it through



Definitive not that embarassing when Germanys team gets kicked their asses before reaching the quarterfinals. :D
Still can't understand why Jancker (not a single goal in the last season!) and Bierhoff (has reached his zenith long ago) were nomineed for the national team.
But the luck is always with the dumb...I think that Cameroon is the only team (sorry, Bogie ;)) which could give Germany some trouble.

Ahh, fluck the World Cup...canīt wait for the kickoff of the Bundesliga again, since Hannover 96 made it back! :thumb:

space-invader
5-07-02, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by wavemaster


Definitive not that embarassing when Germanys team gets kicked their asses before reaching the quarterfinals. :D
Still can't understand why Jancker (not a single goal in the last season!) and Bierhoff (has reached his zenith long ago) were nomineed for the national team.


Strange how they chose Jancker and Bierhoff ahead of Martin Max (joint top scorer in the Bundesliga)


Originally posted by Bogie

Hmm. Knocking out Holland and drawing twice with Portugal is hardly what I would call sneaking in


Well they did have to beat Iran in a playoff (which I was glad that they did so too...I still remember the Aussie-Iran debarcle 4 years ago)

Chasey
5-07-02, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by space-invader
a side named Rushden & Diamonds doesn't sound too threatening to me...hey they'll romp it in (i think)



Just off topic, Cheltenham did it last night! They are now a fully fledged Nationwide League Division 2 team.

Unbelievable really when you consider 5 years ago they were playing non-league football.

80sSmurf
5-07-02, 11:54 AM
1st off....Nice run down Spacey :thumb:

Originally posted by space-invader
...

Group A:
France
Uruguay
Senegal
Denmark

....
Denmark are back again, and are always good value with many quality players in the big european clubs, albeit maybe not the power they were 10 years ago.

My prediction: France to win the group comfortably. It's a real toss-up for the runners up spot. I'll take a stab at Uruguay.


Have to disagree with you regarding the strenght of Denmark....This is the strongest and most versatile site since 83-85 (It was sheer bad luck we didn't make the final in '84). Yes I realize we won the EC in '92, but that was mainly because the team could play without any pressure at all, no one expected anything from Denmark at that tourney....

Also about group placements...Yes France will place 1st 2nd Denmark or Uruguay, my proud danish heart says Denmark, my mind says whoever wins between the 2 gets 2nd place....Optimistic predictions in Denark says we're going to the semis ... Yeah right, not happening, but I think a QF is achieveable (just like in France 4 years ago)...

New world champion ... France, Spain, Argentina or Germany. All are killer tourney teams, and even tho' Germany will only just make it to the 1/16 finals they always get better as the tourney progresses. It all comes down to which team tops during the World Cup.

England, Holland, Brazil and Italy don't have the player material to win at the moment ... Altho' I wouldn't be surprised if Brazil pulled a rabbit outta the hat and played dream football once again.

space-invader
5-08-02, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by 80sSmurf

Have to disagree with you regarding the strenght of Denmark....This is the strongest and most versatile site since 83-85 (It was sheer bad luck we didn't make the final in '84). Yes I realize we won the EC in '92, but that was mainly because the team could play without any pressure at all, no one expected anything from Denmark at that tourney....



well you'd know more about Denmark's hopes than i would!

I haven't followed every team closely...mainly go by past performances in the big tourneys...i've seen sides cruise thru qualifying undefeated, then bomb in the first round of the finals (Spain is notorious at doing that)

Prefab Sprouter
5-08-02, 05:59 AM
Excellent posts Space invader. As Chopper has said you do know your football!

As for the predictions I would think that France and Argentina are the teams to beat; Spain will probably be underachievers although with the strength of their league they should do well!

Now I have an issue with this "Ireland creeping in" statement. ;)

In case you hadn't noticed we were drawn with Portugal and Holland in our group. No easy group. True we got in via a playoff but we did beat Holland and drew with them in Amsterdam (we should have beaten them!).

Mind you we'll be lucky to get past the 2nd round but I'll take any bets on us finishing above the Germans. They are not the force they once were and with Nowotny and Scholl injured they are weaker than expected!

I'd like to see England do well. I'm a Man Utd supporter and watch the Premiership each week on TV. Sometimes they tend to have a bit of a superiority complex about their chances entering major tournaments but this time they have got a good squad with an excellent manager. Tough group but I expect them to progress

Bogie
5-08-02, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Prefab Sprouter
... I'm a Man Utd supporter...

Doh! :)

Prefab Sprouter
5-08-02, 06:57 AM
Dont you be dissing the Red Devils!!!!;)

Bogie
5-08-02, 07:09 AM
Walk on, walk on
With hope, in your heart
And you'll never walk
Alone

Hehehehe.

Back on topic Bogie. Yeah, it's tough qualifying out of Europe alright. With only the first place team getting an automatic berth in the finals there will always be very good teams spending the summer at home. Still, there's a lot to be said for having such an arduous trip to the finals. Your team has to be made of pretty stern stuff to make it out of Europe.

I had an awful bomb dropped on me yesterday. We are apparently having a three-day out of town conference on June 3, 4 and 5. I wait four years for the World Cup and now I'm going to be stuck alone in a hotel room in Niagara Falls watching games in the darkest hours of the morning and then have to go and sit through boring meetings all day. If there is a god(s), he/she/they hate me. :(

space-invader
5-08-02, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by Prefab Sprouter

... I'm a Man Utd supporter...


double doh! :)
my favorite english premier league team changes every week, depending on who plays man u :lol:

for once i'm in the right time zone for the world cup! games all evening :D :D :D


north americans don't respect the game enough...having a conference then really sucks :(
i'm sure there wouldn't be ANYTHING scheduled for that weekend anywhere else in the world...except maybe here...hmmm i better watch out!

Prefab Sprouter
5-08-02, 07:45 AM
Hey Bogie,

To the tune of "You'll never walk alone"


Sign on
Sign on
With a pen in your hand
and you'll never win again
you'll never win again!!!!!

Dont worry Bogie! Bring a small portable into the meeting with you!!! We'll be there with you in spirit!!!

80sSmurf
5-17-02, 12:20 PM
Only 2 more weeks to go :1offwall: (well ... erh... and a day :D)

Flix
5-17-02, 12:33 PM
I completely missed this thread. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Smurfy. :)

It must be hot in Australia Spacey, cause you completely lost it regarding the Danish team ;)

Denmark will go to the semi's for sure. The team is stronger than it was four years ago and I need I remind any of you that Denmark would have beat Brazil, had it not been for two Brazilian goals that Peter Schmeichel would have saved on any other day. He didn't and Denmark lost 3-2. I am usually very careful when I predict the Danish chances, but I honestly believe they have a chance to beat Senegal, Uruguay and even the French.

On the other hand, I am not gonna complain about footy this season. The Gunners won the league and the FA Cup and Manchester United won nothing this year. Gotta love a season like that!! :D

space-invader
5-18-02, 10:39 PM
we'll have to wait and see how denmark goes won't we :)...though i wouldn't mind at all if they did well

remember, playing a world cup in europe is much different to playing in asia in a very unfamiliar environment

it is certainly a good season when man u is trophyless :D
i feel sorry for germany's bayer leverkusen though...so near and yet so far :(

80sSmurf
5-19-02, 01:33 AM
I was cheering for Leverkusen too Spacey ..... They lost with honor. That final is one of the best I've evr seen, both teams participated to play football, and not just to prevent the opposing team to score :thumb:

As for Denmark's chances, we still have a few regulars with minor injuries, they should get ready, but how fit will they be ???! Anything can happen with this team .... and luckily we are not in gruop F :eek:

Too bad Australia couldn't keep the 1-0 lead in the playoffs against Uruguay .... The winner between Denmark vs Australia would've won the right to gloat for a year :D

space-invader
5-19-02, 05:32 AM
the first half was especially good, the second half didn't really get going until near the end
hats off to zidane...a goal worthy of winning a final

i was at the first leg of australia v uruguay...the crowd didn't really make enough noise...i thought they were in for a good show in the return leg, but what i didn't factor in was that their star striker (dario silva) didn't play in melbourne, and with him in, it was a totally transformed side. once he scored that first goal, i knew we were toast...the crowd went absolutely nuts! even the aussie players such as viduka who is used to playing in big games noted that the crowd virtually overwhelmed them

oh well...it wasn't as bad as 4 years ago when iran beat the aussies on away goals...that was hard to take

maybe you're lucky that the aussies DIDN'T make it...if they happened to fluke a victory over denmark you wouldn't have heard the end of it!!!:lol:

80sSmurf
5-23-02, 03:47 PM
Don't you just love the final 2 weeks before a big tourney .... Every single channel is airing tons of football :thumb:

And the count is down to 1 week :1offwall:

Pippi
5-23-02, 04:18 PM
I have to find a bar that shows the Denmark games. I have a Denmark jersey and I will wear that proud when they play their three games.

Chasey
5-23-02, 04:28 PM
I personally think that Denmark have a very good chance of lifting the WC, and good luck to them.

Mrs Beckham has more chance of actually developing a sense of humour than England do of winning the World Cup.....:D

djdaffy1227
5-23-02, 11:14 PM
Is it ok if I still root for the USA? :lol: I have to admit, you are right, North America doesn't care too much about the World Cup but it was still interesting to read this thread. I think I may be a little bit smarter about soccer.....er, I'm on your turf now :lol:.....football then I was yesterday Thanks!

space-invader
5-24-02, 07:29 AM
yes it's perfectly ok to follow the US "dream team" (if they make the 2nd round they WILL be the dream team in my book!)

haven't decided who i will go for this time (as both the aussies and canadians didn't make it)
i'll probably make up my mind as i go along...i like how some of the african sides play (not unlike how brazil USED to play)

80sSmurf
5-24-02, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Pippi
I have to find a bar that shows the Denmark games. I have a Denmark jersey and I will wear that proud when they play their three games.

Ahem .... Their 7 games!!!! ;) :D

Hey Chopper, I think winning the WC might be a li'l optimistic for Denmark, I'm still saying QF, anything after that will be extra goodies for me :p
BTW I still think England has a fair shot, even if they've been a li'l below par in the last tourneys .... Eriksson can still do so much with this team :thumb:

DJ, you can root for any team you want (as long as Denmark is your fave ;) :lol: ) .... Nice to see you getting caught up in the greatest sports event of all :D

Spacey; African teams are always interesting to follow, they play with enthusiasm and some unpredictebility .... They are definitely getting better with each tourney :)

djdaffy1227
5-28-02, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by 80sSmurf


DJ, you can root for any team you want (as long as Denmark is your fave ;) :lol: ) .... Nice to see you getting caught up in the greatest sports event of all :D

I don't know about the greatest, but I enjoy watching. I compare it to hockey, I enjoy watching but don't follow it at all. I really enjoy the superbowl to be honest even though my Detroit Lions have never gone to it.

PS...go Denmark!!! Hey, you partied with me when the Otters won their championship...

Harket
5-31-02, 01:43 AM
Only five hours to kick-off :dance:

Oh man, is this gonna be great :D :D :D

Pippi
5-31-02, 01:48 AM
I know. Less than five hours and I am jumping in my seat in anticipation. I will not get any sleep tonight. I hope Senegal can get away with a draw. That would be fantastic.

80sSmurf
5-31-02, 10:29 AM
Finally got off from work, and can know watch the rerun of France vs. Senegal .... Just too bad I already know the result :(

Ahh well, at least the World Cup finally started :1offwall:

Harket
6-01-02, 01:45 AM
Only two hours and 20 minutes to kick off between Denmark and Uruguay :goofy:

I hope for a comfortable victory to the Danish boys (obviously) but have some fear that it wil be very, very tough.

If we succeed in winning we're almost in the 1/8 finals :D


COME ON DENMAAAARK :dance:

80sSmurf
6-04-02, 01:56 PM
Didn't get to see any matches today, due to a 12 hour shift at work :(

Watching replays and results right now, and I must say it's been a day of surprises :)

Great to see some asian teams making good results, this is all good for football :thumb:

djdaffy1227
6-04-02, 04:54 PM
I actually caught a couple of games. I don't know much about football but I'm enjoying just watching it. Unfortunately with the time difference, most of the games are on ESPN or ESPN2 at 2, 3, or 4 o'clock in the morning.