This is frustrating!!!

I am viewing one web page and when iI try to open another one I lose the original page. I want to keep both up!! :mad:

I am here at the xchange. I pick a site from my favorites. The xchange closes and I am taken to that other page but I want to keep xchange up also.

Oh, the stress! :rolleyes:

Go to file, New, Window. Hope that is what you meant.

Happy surfing! :)

You can also just right-click on the hyperlink and chose "open link in new window". Probably the easiest way. Now turn that frown upside down and purr like a good kitty for me. :D

Internet Exploder just sucks anyway. I used to love Netscape (back when its was decent), but over the past few years it has just deteriorated.

I can't stand Exploder, but there are only so many options.

I have to say though that Netscape under Linux runs much better than Windows Netscape.

Once you start getting illegal operations daily, its time to reinstall. Windows is just a lost cause.

Thanks guys! *purr* for Shakey. ;)

Aron is right, IE isn't that great, I find myself using Opera more and more, it's free, reliable, have all IE features plus a few extras and it's free...Only downside is you'll have to remember a new set of keyboard shortcuts :)

Hmmm I didn't know it was free. I downloaded it a LONG time ago and I would have sworn it had a trial. Maybe I will check it out again.

I don't even use the keyboard shortcuts. I DESPISE anything from Microsoft. I honestly can't remember the last thing Microsoft wrote that I liked.

I really need to set up another machine so I can have both Red Hat and Windows running. I don't like dual booting.

Originally posted by aaronw
Hmmm I didn't know it was free. I downloaded it a LONG time ago and I would have sworn it had a trial. Maybe I will check it out again.

Yup, it's still free...You have to fill out a form tho' and choose what adds u like, they're then shown in the top of the browser. I checked it with both Ad-aware (nothing) & Spychecker, which stated that it was adware...Sychecker only showed Opera 5 as being adware tho'

Originally posted by aaronw
I really need to set up another machine so I can have both Red Hat and Windows running. I don't like dual booting.

I had that some time back. Redhat 7.1 & WinME on the same machine. I liked Linux, but since I'm not a cpuwiz (a friend of mine set up Linux for me, I remember he had problems with my CDR) I eventually abandoned Linux. It was too frustrating to wait for my friend to fix stuff for me, whenever problems occured or I wanted new progs on my cpu (it was very confusing to find the right package to download). For now I'll stick with WinME (feel free to bash me for this remark) and wait for someone to make it easier for ppl like me to use Linux. I'm sure that Linux eventually will be more accesible and hopefully it'll kick Bill's @ss :)

BTW, have anyone ever used MacOS ??
I've heard that a Mac is faster and more reliable than a pc....any truth to that ?? (I've never even seen a Mac, and know nothing about them)

Originally posted by 80sSmurf


Yup, it's still free...You have to fill out a form tho' and choose what adds u like, they're then shown in the top of the browser. I checked it with both Ad-aware (nothing) & Spychecker, which stated that it was adware...Sychecker only showed Opera 5 as being adware tho'



I had that some time back. Redhat 7.1 & WinME on the same machine. I liked Linux, but since I'm not a cpuwiz (a friend of mine set up Linux for me, I remember he had problems with my CDR) I eventually abandoned Linux. It was too frustrating to wait for my friend to fix stuff for me, whenever problems occured or I wanted new progs on my cpu (it was very confusing to find the right package to download). For now I'll stick with WinME (feel free to bash me for this remark) and wait for someone to make it easier for ppl like me to use Linux. I'm sure that Linux eventually will be more accesible and hopefully it'll kick Bill's @ss :)

BTW, have anyone ever used MacOS ??
I've heard that a Mac is faster and more reliable than a pc....any truth to that ?? (I've never even seen a Mac, and know nothing about them)

I downloaded Opera and looked it over. Its ok EXCEPT that certain web pages have garbled text. It's like 2 or 3 lines overwrite each other. I hate that. Other than that problem (a big one at that), it wasn't too bad. I can deal with the ads.

Ok now on to the Linux/Windows/Mac deal...

This ENTIRELY depends on who you ask, but heres my take on the situation.

Windows:

Pros: It's very common, you see it everywhere; just about all software written is for Windows; the GUI is fairly user friendly; it has a wide compatibility range; most hardware is designed with Windows in mind; adding and removing software is usually easy; comes in varieties (95/98/ME for consumer market, NT/2000 for business market, XP is a little of both)

Cons: Closed source. You cannot get the source code for it, so even if you know how to fix bugs in it, tough. Crash problems. Must be rebooted on a fairly regular bases. I once went 2 weeks without rebooting. Buggy as hell. Bloatware - turns your Pentium 3 or 4 into a 286. Slow. Poor multi-tasking, task and memory management, service packs rarely fix everything. NOT FREE. (I could make this list ten times longer) Overall, Windows was a good idea that Microsoft POORLY executed.

Unix/Linux:

Pros: It's usually free. You can buy a package in the store with the CDs and manual, or download Solaris x86, Red Hat, FreeBSD, Mandrake, etc, etc for FREE. FULL source code is included. Most software you download off the internet is FREE with source. What isn't free is either free for home user (commercial use not free), cheaply priced, or you can find an alterate version for free. Stable as hell! You can HAMMER on a Unix machine. It is possible to crash it, but hard. Superior multi-tasking, memory and task management, and excellent crash protection. WIDELY supported. You would be surprised how many people use it. It's 100% free, open source, and most everything for it is free. Apache web server, the worlds most popular web server is FREE. It's native under unix.

Cons: Harder to learn. NOT meant for the new user. You have the selection of a few graphical interfaces, but it really is geared for the intermediate/expert user. If you struggle with Windows, you will probably not want Unix. Errors can be hard to fix. When you install software, you can get errors that are hard to hunt down. Most software is either full source and must be compiled (comes with instructions), or you can get binary/RPM versions.

Macintosh:

Pros: I don't use it, so this is just what I hear. Motorola processors are faster than Intel. Except that Intel INVENTED the CPU, not Motorola and there is FAR, FAR more software available for Windows than a Mac. Possibly has better graphics capabilities and possibly a better design. I won't elaborate because I don't have hands on with a Mac. This might all be true. I hear Mac OS X is very nice and easy to work with. Has a nice layout!

Cons: NOWHERE NEAR the support of a PC. Regardless how much some people say "every 10 seconds a Mac sells", ok fine, for each Mac out there, you have arguably 50 PCs. I don't know ANYBODY who owns a Mac. Fry's electronics has a HUGE selection of PC hardware. Over 10 rows. They have ONE for Mac. Less software is written, less support, less hardware. I'm not saying Mac sucks, but think about it... which do you see more of?

Now I won't trash those who love a Mac. You use what you like, I'll use what I like. My whole point is simply that there are FAR more PC users than Mac and FAR more software. I'm sure the Mac is a good machine, I just don't use it.

I recommend any intermediate/expert Windows users to at least give Linux a shot. It is a very nice OS. Pick up a book and spend a few weeks learning it. Sure it seems cryptic and its not as easy as Windows, but you have FULL control over it. It is very stable, and a workhorse. It's also FREE.

Again, these are all my opinions.

Originally posted by aaronw
I recommend any intermediate/expert Windows users to at least give Linux a shot. It is a very nice OS. Pick up a book and spend a few weeks learning it. Sure it seems cryptic and its not as easy as Windows, but you have FULL control over it. It is very stable, and a workhorse. It's also FREE.

That was my problem. I had books, downloaded docs, FAQs etc. but to no avail. I just couldn't set up Redhat myself (I'm really bad with programming, numbers and other stuff that's good to master when working with computers), I kept fluckin things up in LILO or I couldn't get a driver to work properly.
Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with Linux, everytime I screwed up, I didn't have to reboot, it was very very reliable indeed, no freezes, no unknown errors and stuff like that :thumb: Just too bad the idiot in front of the monitor couldn't get it to work properly ;)
No wonder almost every server out there is linux or unix (aren't they "related" ?)
Hopefully I'll have enuff money to build another computer soon, I think I'll give Linux a new shot by then, since a lot must've happend in the Linux-scene in the past 9 months

Thanx for a very thorough answer Aron

Just got Mandrake instaled, Smurf. You might give it a try. Seems to be much more intuitive than the other Linux distro's I have tried. Setup went very smoothly and it detected all of my hardware. That being said, it still is not ready for the mass market. The average user is not going to want to have to perform such mundane tasks as adding their own links into menus.

As for the Mac. I had one years (and years) ago. Think I was running OS 7 or something like that. One thing I definitely liked better about that OS than any other was the ability to move files anywhere on your hard drive and still have that program (or system) work. Software was a problem though. Pretty much had to live with shareware. I am curious about the new OS X though. They say that it is built on Unix. I wonder if you can actually get into a terminal with that and work at the command level? That would be cool. If that were the case, I might buy one just to play with. Anyone know?

Opera is free (as long as you don't mind the ad's). It still costs to register though and work as free. I have it on my system and use it sometimes. Probably the nicest feature is its ability to block popups. Nice incorporation of that feature. Don't care for the way it manages bookmarks though.

I use to be a devout Netscape fan until the 4.0 era hit. Then it just became so unstable that I switched over to IE. I'm pretty happy with it for everyday use.

*Shakey strokes the nice kitty* :)

Originally posted by Shakey
Just got Mandrake instaled, Smurf. You might give it a try. Seems to be much more intuitive than the other Linux distro's I have tried. Setup went very smoothly and it detected all of my hardware. That being said, it still is not ready for the mass market. The average user is not going to want to have to perform such mundane tasks as adding their own links into menus.

Hmmm sounds good...Now if I only get that taxrefund, then it's a 2nd computer for Smurf and the opportunity to play with Linux without worrying about dualbooting :D
Looks like Mandrake would be a nice place to start another Linux adventure :p
I remember having serious problems working with the terminal on Redhat, i tried endless commands & switches (?) but to no avail...That and finding the right package to download and install whenever I wanted new progs...Ii would never have been up and runnin if it wasn't for a friend of mine, who set it up :)

I guess the distribution of Linux depends on your needs. My brother likes Solaris, I like Red Hat, and I've known a few Mandrake and FreeBSD users.

The installation for Red Hat 7 is just alright. 7.1 is a little better, but 7.2 is really good!

I guess the only way you will know which version you like is to try a few out. I never tried Mandrake so I have no opinion. Red Hat always did fine for me. One thing to look for though, is what software runs on each version. Usually anything that is full source will compile cross platform, but not always.

I have had the most success with Red Hat. If I didn't know which was best for me, I would download 2 or 3 and try them all out. All are free for download.

Each has its good points and bad. I believe Red Hat has the most support, but Mandrake and SuSE are pretty good as well, from what I have been told.

They will install just fine on a regular Pentium. I even though about getting a celery stick to use exclusively as a Red Hat machine. Don't know if I want to spend the $$ though.

Mostly I am baised towards Red Hat because I know it the best, and have had good success with it. You can EASILY get it connected to the internet.

My advice is to try different distributions. If you have cable or DSL and a CD recorder, download several and try them all out.

So far ALL of my hardware has worked with Red Hat. Mostly this support is built into the kernel though, which doesn't necessarily have much to do with who distributes it. The people who take the kernel and modify it are responsible for other things. Ever notice how the core of RH, Mandrake, Slackware, etc all seem the same? Because they use the same kernels.

And as I said, Linux is not for everyone. If you love Windows or are computer impaired, it is not for you. It was designed for intermediate/advanced users who know how to set up hardware and want full control over their machine. That doesn't mean you have to possess a degree in computer science, but it is not meant for the new user.

Yep. It surely is a matter of taste. I have gone thru a lot of distro's before landing at Mandrake. Red Hat 6 and 6.2, Caldera and I don't know how many of those smaller versions (Pygmy Linux, Dragon Linux, Peanut, Corel Linux and even Winlinux (don't say a word!)). I have heard that Red Hat has improved their setup since 6.2, but have not tried it.

So. Has no one seen OS X yet? Maybe I'll run over to CompUSA and check it out this weekend. Just very curious about their having built their OS around Unix.

For those of you who do use Linux, what do you use for the desktop environment? I used to like Gnome, but have begun to use KDE more frequently. Don't think it is a matter of functionality, just asthetics. Here is the theme I am currently using - Hands of Shiny Blue (http://freshmeat.net/img/screenshots/25066_thumb.jpg).

Originally posted by Shakey
Yep. It surely is a matter of taste. I have gone thru a lot of distro's before landing at Mandrake. Red Hat 6 and 6.2, Caldera and I don't know how many of those smaller versions (Pygmy Linux, Dragon Linux, Peanut, Corel Linux and even Winlinux (don't say a word!)). I have heard that Red Hat has improved their setup since 6.2, but have not tried it.

So. Has no one seen OS X yet? Maybe I'll run over to CompUSA and check it out this weekend. Just very curious about their having built their OS around Unix.

For those of you who do use Linux, what do you use for the desktop environment? I used to like Gnome, but have begun to use KDE more frequently. Don't think it is a matter of functionality, just asthetics. Here is the theme I am currently using - Hands of Shiny Blue (http://freshmeat.net/img/screenshots/25066_thumb.jpg).

I have used RH 6.2, 7, 7.1, and 7.2 over time. 6.2 is just alright. 7 had a decent install, 7.1 was more improved, but 7.2 had the best installation I've seen yet.

I ended up going from 98 to 2000 Pro because 98 kept crashing. I want to set up a separate Linux machine, but I just don't have any room at home for it. My living room is already full with a tv, 55 gallon aquarium, 2 computers, and a couch. Its a small room.

As for Linux, I've tried Red Hat, Slackware, Corel Linux, Turbo, FreeBSD, and Solaris. I really only like RH. It's not the best Linux available, but one of the nicer versions.

I know Red Hat the best and can navigate it the easiest. I was briefly using RH 7.0 with Netscape, pan for newsgroups, balsa for email, xmms for mp3s, and god only knows what else. The system was very stable and ran very well. I only switched back to Winblows because my g/f uses my machine as a gateway and I don't know how to network Unix and Windows together. I know you can use SAMBA, but I couldn't get it working.

I have seen screen shots of Mac OS X on Apples web site, and it does look very nice, but I don't like it enough to get an Apple. As I've said, there are FAR more PCs out there, more support, more hardware, and more software. I stick with what I know and like.

Under Linux is used Gnome. Never gave KDE a chance. I was trying to learn how to program under Linux for a while. I can whip out code in C under DOS/Windows with little difficulty, but I don't understand Linux well enough. One of these days I will actually get back into using Linux more heavily at home. Even though its not a great multimedia system, it is very stable, very powerful, and very configurable. Gnome is an ok interface. It lacks some of the ease of use that Winblows has, but it also has some cool things that Winblows doesn't have.

One of my favorite things about unix is symbolic links. Those make life so much easier. Windows doesn't have them.