Okay, I can't find any topic on this, so'll just start one here...everything goes (for starters)...what was/is ur fave comic...we're talking styles, genres, characters, form (mag./album), crossovers between TV and print, publishers, artists, crossovers in general (appearances in other comics, tributes and hints) & throw in a why if u want. Hope this is to somebodys likings <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

This to see if I can start a li'l discussion:
Me...Haven't seen a comic yet I didn't like...I'm a bona fide comics geek <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I love almost anything belgian/french, since I grew up on 'em....

Dredd is my fave all time super-fascist...especially when drawn by Bolland...

The only one I bought religiously was the Star Wars Marvel series, starting when I was 4 or 5. I remember saving up my nickels for a whole month to buy an issue. Sigh!

The stories were, for the most part, imaginative and exciting. Of course, they were sometimes cheesy and completely out of tune with the Star Wars "canon," but I didn't care. I needed the fix to help me survive the years between the movies... I knew Luke and Lando weren't going to find Han /before/ Return of the Jedi, but I was hooked anyway. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

I have issues 33-100+, all in cruddy condition from reading them with a popsicle or a glass of Kool-Aid in one hand. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> I always get such a huge kick out of it when the expanded universe novels mention something from the comics.

Here's a kick-ass fan site (http://members.aol.com/heywood254/) on the series.

Other than SW Marvel, I collected the "graphic novel" adaptations of movies from the Scholastic school book sale. (The Dark Crystal, etc.)

I was never really huge on comics, but I do have some up in my attic from childhood. Got a ton of Transformers ones...think I got the first issue too. Some Zelda ones, some Thundercats ones, a 3 comic series on the movie 'Willow', that's all I remember off the top of my head.

I do remember one comic that my cousin used to have a bunch of back in the day that were hilarious....Ralph Snart I think it was..lol

Cool link Mary...Thanx <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I also like the Star Wars comics, despite all it's flaws. Too bad they cancelled the magazine in Denmark, and only printed 5 albums.

That's actually the problem for me. Danish publishers didn't print that many american comics in the 80s, and those they did, they cropped and pasted into new magazines. Very frustrating since they didn't consider stories that were unfolded over a series of magazines. I got most of my herocomics from a store in the heart of Copenhagen; "FANTASK". They sold all american herocomics (and still do), but with new magazines coming out every week I had to choose what I needed the most...I went with Marvel. And on top of that, I tried to keep up with the growing album publishing coming out of Belgium/France. So sadly I missed out on some great comics...

Ralph Snart is correct Roem and it was drawn by Marc Hansen. I like it too. Hilarious + the style is resembling Crumb. Do u remember Ralph's adversary Dr. Goot ??? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Spiderman was and always will be my favorite. I'm so psyched for the movie!!! I also loved Batman, Lobo, Conan & Spawn.

Speaking of comics, I'll be selling my collection as soon as I get them all inventoried. If anyone's interested let me know. I have over 2,500 comics that will be up for sale.

Me me me me me me me me me me me me !!!!!
I'm sure I can give ur comics a good home <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Spawn and Lobo excellent, U should give Judge Dredd a try Pagan, I think u'll get a kick outta that <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Not to get u down but...don't get ur expecs up too high about the spideyflik. A lot of comics don't translate very well to the silverscreen. I think this is partly 'coz the director doesn't really know the comic and the big studios are looking to make some cash, so they'll change events, add characters, alter chractaristics etc. any way they want, just to please a bigger audience...That said, some fliks actually turns out very good. Spawn and Toxic Avenger are good examples of that <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Hasn't anyone in here ever read any european comics ????

Well that's my two cents <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Actually Smurf, I AM looking forward to the movie! I've seen some coming attractions, and the cast is excellent. They're doing it right, having the "Puny Parker" aspect instead of the later version of him. Having Willam DeFoe for the Green Goblin is brilliant!!!

Anyway, as soon as I get a price list together I'll let you know what I have, okay?

I'll take your word for it Pagan...for now <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

We're so faaaar behind in Denmark, that we didn't get to see Tomb Raider untill last friday, Jurassic Park won't be in cinemas until august 10th and last I heard we might not get a chance to see Final Fantasy, a straight-to-video could be all we see here <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> ...This is just to illustrate how far behind Denmark is movie wise.

Anyways, I'd be glad to see some prices once you're done <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Now young man, go to ur room and read some Judge Dredd <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

The only series I ever collected was "Groo, the Wanderer", a hilarious comic by Sergio Aragones, the guy who did the margin art in MAD Magazine.

I thoroughly enjoy comics and I absolutely love Belgian/French comics (Hergé, Franquin, Morris & Goscinny, etc) I mean - look at the list: TinTin, Spirou, Gaston Lagaffe, Natacha, Astérix, Valérian, Lucky Luke and of course Les Schtroumpfs (the smurfs)! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

As so many others I've also enjoyed Spiderman, Batman, Superman and whatnot, but they never had the same appeal to me as the Belgian/French ones, some particular Danish ones, Ralf König is rather brilliant too and of course...Calvin & Hobbes <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> And I won't even get into the whole adult comics issue...*lol*

I started collecting when "Secret wars II" came out. I collected for a couple of years and just stopped. I have the first 100 or so of Alpha Flight and many West Coast Avengers.

I also enjoy the works of Aragonés, Nolan. Lively artwork. If u like Groo, u should dig up some old "Plop"s from DC or take a look at "Aragonés destroys DC" <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Belgian/french comics are by far the best of the 80s. I could easily post several pages on these alone, I'm such a sucker for the Marcinelle-style <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

König is simply hilarious <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> No wonder several of his albums have made it to the big screen.

Originally posted by 80sSmurf:
<STRONG>I also enjoy the works of Aragonés, Nolan. Lively artwork. If u like Groo, u should dig up some old "Plop"s from DC or take a look at "Aragonés destroys DC" <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Belgian/french comics are by far the best of the 80s. I could easily post several pages on these alone, I'm such a sucker for the Marcinelle-style <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

König is simply hilarious <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> No wonder several of his albums have made it to the big screen.</STRONG>

Thanks, Smurf! I'll have to look into those. I haven't looked at my Groo's in years, now I'm gonna have to break 'em out of the plastic & re-read 'em.<img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Aragonés' stuff is indeed intricate (and funny as hell, besides). He also did the animation for the opening & commercial lead-ins for the 80's TV show "TV's Bloopers and Practical Jokes".
Favorite Groo Quote:
Chakaal:"In that fortress, they are impregnable"
Groo:"You mean they can't get pregnant?"

Originally posted by Pagan:
<STRONG>Having Willam DeFoe for the Green Goblin is brilliant!!!</STRONG>

Very nice. I didn't know he was going to be in it. One of my favorite (and in my opinion, one of the most uderated) actors. Great facial expressions. He'll do it justice.

As far as I can remember (waaay back in time... <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ), I had collected the Superman comic books (like "Supie vs Muhammad Ali"), later it was Clever&Smart and MAD magazine. All gone in the Time Tunnel... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I had the comic book of the movie "1941", it was more weird and violent than the film. Doggone it, it´s also lost. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

Today, I´m more into Animés (Japanese animated movies) like Akira, Ghost In The Shell, Gunsmith Cats etc...if I had the time, I would also read the respective Mangas. A new experience, as you start to read them from "back" to front, from right to the left...

LOL @ Nolan...yeah that sounds like Groo allright <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Nolan you might wanna check out these:

www.groo.com (http://www.groo.com)
http://www-students.biola.edu/~pauls/groo/groo.html <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Clever & Smart, now that's funny. How many ways can a guy get hurt without permanent damage <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> I always liked those HUGE bumps they'd get on their heads...Looks painful. Ibanez has made a lot of great comics, another fave of mine is his "13 Rue del Percebe" (Don't know the english title). It's the 1 with the house, where u can see what every tennant is up to...It's a classic.

Originally posted by Kayenne:
<STRONG>I thoroughly enjoy comics and I absolutely love Belgian/French comics (Hergé, Franquin, Morris & Goscinny, etc) I mean - look at the list: TinTin, Spirou, Gaston Lagaffe, Natacha, Astérix, Valérian, Lucky Luke and of course Les Schtroumpfs (the smurfs)! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> </STRONG>

Jeez!! I have almost every TinTin album ever published, along with all the Lucky Luke albums! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> Spirou is also fould in my collection!

Lucky Luke was my absolute favourite! Man did I wanna be like him! <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> And who could help but loving the "Dalton Brothers"??

(Notice I'm stalking, K? <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )

I feel like a huge geek.

I only had the Archie comics. Along with Betty and Veronica, Jughead and all. I used to want to be Veronica. I think I liked her hair.

~G

Thanks for the links, Smurf http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/xyxthumbs.gif

DD don't worry, IMO you're NOT a geek <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Geeks are people like me, who have dedicated most of their lives on something (in my case comics) to the point where it's become an obsession. Geeks know (obscure)details,trivia & stuff about the "obsession", that other people may find useless or boring.

I'm a comic-geek. I have a HUGE comic collection (wrapped in plastic and with cardboard backs to keep 'em in mint condition), dictionaries, encyclopedias, biographies, pricelists, posters, magazines about comics, clothes etc. The only thing I haven't got is figurines...Hey maybe I'm not such a geek after all ?? <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> On the other hand, I'm a member of a soccer club called "The Smurfs", and I can't hear the word comic without bugging in on a conversation, must be real annoying...ha ha ha <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Oh no, I guess that makes me a music chart geek!

*lol* yeah it would...But in my terminology (and my friends') a geek is cool <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

Without geeks a lot things wouldn't have been invented, at least that's how I see it <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Question is: What greatness can come from comics and musiccharts ??

I know, do u ??

It's a proven fact (in my mind) that music makes the world go round! <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Got that right daffy <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> I listen to music every waking moment I can. And when I'm not listening, I got a tune echoing in my mind <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I am a huge fan of The Sandman comics written by neil gaiman.
They're absolutely fantastic and have won numerous sci fi/fantasy awards.

I really recommend them!

Originally posted by djdaffy1227:
<STRONG>It's a proven fact (in my mind) that music makes the world go round! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

You are so right DJ <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

I never thought of this before, but if there's one thing every culture and every single person in the world have in common, it's music. It's part of everybodys life, and everybody enjoys it <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

They should make a statue of u DJ <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I once collected comic books (from 1986 to 1994). And nearly all comic books I have bear a Marvel logo. So, obviously, I was a Marvel Zombie (a term coined in 1978).

My favorite comic book series was...Transformers!!! Published by Marvel Comics, it ran for 80 issues (and from 1984 to 1991).
GI Joe and the Transformers (1986) #1-4
Transformers (1984-1991) #1, 4, 7-80 (I have a second-print edition of Transformers #9)
Transformers Comics Magazine (aka Transformers Digest) #1-4, 7, 8
Transformers: Headmasters (1987) #1-4
Transformers: The Movie (Marvel UK Winter [1986] Special [one book])
Transformers Universe (1986) #1-4


The only non-Marvel Transformers comic in my possession is Transformers In 3-D #3--published by Blackthorne.

For the record: I also have Transformers: Generation 2 #1-10. There're two versions of TG 2 #1--one with a double-gatefold foil cover; the other, an ordinary cover. I have both versions of TG 2 #1.

NOTEWORTHY Transformers #1-4 were bimonthly.
Transformers #5-80 were monthly.
There was a three-month wait between Transformers #4 and Transformers #5.
There were 14 issues of Transformers with a 1989 cover date (issues 48-61). That's because Marvel Comics had changed its cover-dating system that year. The last four issues of Transformers with a 1989 cover date were: #58, November; #59, Mid-November; #60, December; #61, Mid-December.
Transformers #80's letters page consisted of farwell essays by Simon Furman (writer) and Nel Yomtov (colorist).
There was never a Transformers Annual.

or is it me that have yours.....
Well this is some of the most important stuffs in my life. Do not mock my comic gods or I will..... do stuffs, and other will happen to you. 2000AD was the greatest mag of all time, so if there's anyone into it Mail me ! Same for Heavy metal. Love R.Crumb ( hey, he lives in my country now ), Frank Miller, and well my top 3 artist :
Simon Bisley, Richard Corben, liberatore !!!!
Well so called " underground " stuffs definitely had a huge impact on me. I mean my LIFE...
well it's so important to me, don't mess with it. If you make fun of it, I'll find you, and will destroy your name fer 10 generations ( yes, I'm a slight bit overkill, but why would you make me angry in first place ? ) Nerds from all over the worls, unite !!!! ( tho' i'm not a hardcore nerd.... by far )

I haven't heard of any of the comics you mention, however I'm sure they're pretty funny. It must just be location. :D

...and me thought that France was mainly consisting of baguettes, cheese, lovesick males, funny cars and Gilbert Becaud. Thanks for proving me wrong. :D

Well, I´m not that much into comics anymore, but I´m kinda partial to animated movies, especially Animes like Akira, Gunsmith Cats, Patlabor etc.

If that doesn´t suit you, then K.M.A.G. (to speak in your language...) ;)

I have heard of R.Crumb??

I would never make fun of someone for their likes or dislikes. :) ...ok, maybe in a joking way, but i can take it back. :) LOL

Nearly all of the comics I ever collected bore the Marvel logo. So that, of course, made me a Marvel Zombie.

Don't forget about Gerard Depardue LOL! JK :)

I was never really into comics - okay I loved Archie & Richie Rich but I never really got into the superhero thing.

I loved Heavy Metal the movie. We had a dog for a long time named Tarna :)

So ya liked the movie uh ? Well there's progress.... i mean, maybe i will find someone with the same twisted heavy metal imagination as me....not ! Well, I don't think people are gonna get interested to the excellent ( brilliant ) original judge Dredd Comic after that other crappy flix of the same name. I still bear grudges about that !...

I'm not really into comics, but over the past 5 years or so, I started to read a few hear and there.

Johnny, The Homicidal Maniac by Jhonan Vasquez (he also does the cartoon Invader Zim)
Lenore by Roman Dirge
Squee, also by Jhonan Vasquez

I love all of these for their terribly dark and twisted humor.

I like Woodsy Owl growing up, I don't know if R Crumb did the graphics but the pollution sure looked sureal

I used to read Elfquest when I was in high school. My son is really into it now.

johnny the homicidal Maniac and squee ! not my favorite, but fun anyway. Bit 90s tho'. Hey, I like to hear from ya ! keep postin' pleeze.....

Hey Y'all,

I was wondering if any of you are or ever were into comic books?
I got into them for a while and had to step back. I was at a point where I had a pull box at a comic store and almost 30 titles. It was eating all my money!
I ejoyed reading the following titles:

Lady Death
Evil Ernie
Green Arrow
Catwoman
Vampirella
Sandman
Death
Aquaman
Technophage

I was into 2000AD in a big way in the 80s, but started to lose interest when it started to get too graphic and the violence became quite sickening.

It was an English publication and I already know that most people here don't know about it. But they know about Judge Dredd who was the main star of the comic.

Nebula was into that stuff.. but I'll let him tell you which ones.. I'll just point you to the link I posted awhile back.. catwoman (http://www.80sxchange.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=000954)

Not really, but I do love the art work :)

That movie Unbreakable delt with comic books. ;)

I only read Elfquest. They came out in monthly installments and then every so often they would combine several issues into a "color book". I have about 7 of these books. My son is crazy about Elfquest now. :D

At the end of the 70's, I got into comics for awhile. My favorite was X-Men. I had the first 50 or so copies in perfect condition for a long time. Man, I wish I still had them now!!

I'm a freaking comic books encyclopedia and know all the material mentionned ! but much like reckey, 2000 AD was my first love ! along with heavy metal ! now that Trixter mentions it, I look a bit like Evil Ernie, and tinajo like LAdy Death ( with added bonus of being smart nad interesting ! )

TGND " Comics ? ask, I'll probably know ! "

From 1986 to 1991, I collected Transformers and its spinoffs--all published by Marvel Comics.

I also collected Transformers: Generation 2, which ran from 1993 to 1994--and was the last Transformers comic-book series Marvel ever published.

I've also got HUNDREDS of other non-Transformers comics, all dating from 1987 to 1994.

And nearly ALL my comic books bear the Marvel logo...so, obviously, I was a Marvel Zombie.

But, since I gave up comic-book collecting in 1994 (when Transformers: Generation 2 bit the dust), I guess I'm NO LONGER a Marvel Zombie.

When the movie "The Crow" came out, my sister bought this book that had some of The Crow comics in it. I liked those.

I liked some of those rock star comics that came out. I have a Rolling Stones one right now that I got at the last Record Convention I went to.

The Crow kicks ass!! :D Sorry...one of my fave all time movies (just the original, not the sequal) :)

Anyway, I wasn't an avid collector, but I amassed a decent amount as a kid...tons of Transformers comics, a 3 volume set for the movie 'Willow', some ThunderCats ones, Legend of Zelda, Super Mario Bros....

That's all I remember off hand...they're all resting peacefully in my attic..lol :p

I believe I mentioned this in another topic a while back, but there was one really funny ass one I used to read at my uncles camp...Ralph Snart..lol

Originally posted by Steele:
I was a Marvel Zombie.
I was the same way, never really got into much else. I especially enjoyed Peter David's work with The Hulk.

I was more into Marvel myself. I have the first 100 or so issues of Alpha Flight and West Coast Avengers. I also had some of the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The black ad white ones that had nudity and swearing in them. I wish I still had them because they are woth big bucks now. I stopped collecting because it got to be too much combined with my record collection and card collection, now I just collect music. I have to admit I'm kinda interested in card collecting again, but this time it's for Cody's sake. He likes Pokemon and Harry Potter cards, so I have been helping him along with that stuff. We bought a Beckett price guide for his Pokemon cards and found one worth $60. Sorry, I kinda rambled there and got off topic.

I was never into comic books, but back when the Alien vs. Predator comics and collecting cards came out, me and my friend used to go to "The red lion" every week and buy a pack of those cards and a comic book. I still have them somewhere. :)

Originally posted by Ted Nugent
me and my friend used to go to "The red lion" every week and buy a pack of those cards and a comic book. I still have them somewhere. :)

Ack! He's been within 15 minutes walking distance from my home...:eek::vibrator::lol:

Originally posted by Roemello


Ack! He's been within 15 minutes walking distance from my home...:eek::vibrator::lol:

LOL I've problebly been closer. :lol:

The other day I was on the Xchange and my father looked over my shoulder and saw your avatar and said "I seen that guy before". LOL :p

I think it's time for Roem and Ted to meet :p

I'm not much one for comics, in the 70's as a kid , I did read Archie, and some DC comics, ie Superman, Batman, League of Justice. My Father would pick me up the Comics on classics, I don't think they even make them anymore, but you could read Ivanhoe etc in a comic book format:)

Did anyone used to collect comic books? I had the HUGEST collection of Archie comic books. (Ya know, Betty, Veronica, and Jughead..) I couldn't get enough of those comics. My brother used to be into like, Spiderman, Superman, stuff like that.

I used to collect the Archie comics as well...I had a huge drawer full....loved 'em! I wish that I had kept them. *sigh*

I used to collect comic books as well... lots of Spiderman, Superman and Incredible Hulk ones. Wish I would have kept them over the years, as some of them might have been worth some money!!!

i've got a decent collection of conan the barbarian comics and also peanuts

i really like tintin and asterix as well

I only collected two comics, all issues of which I still have - Spy vs. Spy and Elfquest. With Elfquest, I have the original B&W's, the first edition colour graphic novels, the short lived Marvel comics editions, and the second edition colour graphic novels. For Spy vs. Spy, all the MAD issues, and every book collection that came out in the 80's. Those were the only two comics I was ever really into. Spy because it made me laugh my arse off ;) , and Elfquest because Wendy Pini's artwork is absolutely gorgeous. Her colours in the original first edition graphic novels are nothing short of magical as well.

My favorite the Incredible HulK! When the TV show came out I was thrilled! Met Lou in person! He's friggin huge!
Also like the Thing from Fantastic Four!Battles between him and the Hulk classic!Speaking of the Fantastic Four what's the story on the movie they did/doing?Did it go straight to video or what?
Also liked Swamp Thing(SEE:Adrienne Barbeau/Heather Locklear),Silver Surfer(collect 60's surf music/movies etc),Werewolf By Night(favorite Halloween costume) and Thor (named my dog that)
Also dug the Punisher. If you haven't seen the Dolph Lundgren movie as Punisher Rent it today! It's great ! Done in a dark vain like the Batman movies!

COOL BREEZE

"Dammit Jim I"m a doctor not a scientist!"

Originally posted by Roemello
I was never really huge on comics, but I do have some up in my attic from childhood. Got a ton of Transformers ones...think I got the first issue too. Some Zelda ones, some Thundercats ones, a 3 comic series on the movie 'Willow', that's all I remember off the top of my head.

I do remember one comic that my cousin used to have a bunch of back in the day that were hilarious....Ralph Snart I think it was..lol

I've got plenty of Transformers comics (most of them published by Marvel Comics). I have Transformers #1 (cover-dated September '84), as well as Transformers: Generation 2 #1 (cover-dated November '93).

Marvel also had a Thundercats series, as well a three-issue limited series adaptation of Willow.

Marvel had a few other Hasbro-licensed comic-book series: Air Raiders (1987-1988; 5 issues?); GI Joe (1982-1994; 155 issues), GI Joe Special Missions (1986-1989; 28 issues); Visionaries (1987-1988; 6 issues).

Favorite style of comics is horror! My favorite is the Lady Death and Evil Ernie series. Lady Death being my favorite characther and Stephen Hughes being my favorite artist! :thumb: She's one bad Lady! ;)

The only non-Marvel Transformers comic I've got is Transformers In 3-D #3--published by (now-defunct?) Blackthorne Comics. I bought in way back in '91.

I've heard Blackthorne's Transformers In 3-D series ended abruptly--and with only three issues.

I've just discovered this thread... unfortunately Nicobozo seems to be "missed in combat", I'm sure we could have been talking about comics for hours. I'm a huge fan of european comic -mainly from the 80s-. In general, I've never enjoyed the american comic-books (Marvel and so on). SORRY; BUT IT'S TRUE!. Just my opinion, OK?.
After reading ALL the messages posted on this thread (that has been a hard task!) I'm astonished because no one has mentioned artists as Moebius, Enki Bilal, Segrelles, Hugo Pratt, Max... and so many others! (BTW: it's hard to recognize it, but TGND has a great taste in comics :D ... Frank Miller, Richard Corben and Tanino Liberatore are Capital Names also for me). I'm also attracted by some kind of japanese "manga" (Katsuhiro Otomo's "Akira" & "Nightmares", for instance).
Well, I think that's enough for a first post about this matter. Anyone knows any of the names I've mentioned? (I'm not asking you, TGND, I'm sure you know all of them). Is the "serious" european comic only for internal consumption?. At least, Jean Giraud (Moebius) should be known... he had any kind of study in Los Angeles, as far as I know.
I'm alone in my cosmic comics planet?.

Yeah... I miss 80sSmurf/Nicobozo, too... hope he's doing OK in the wide world called "reality" ( :eek: what's that?)

I posted about my Star Wars Marvel collection on the first page of this thread... way back in August :D Recently, I heard that Dark Horse was going to reissue some of the Marvel series in black and white. That kind of disappointed me, as I really enjoyed the crazy color work of the Star Wars series. Talk about your non-serious comic series. Hehe.

I'm also interested in collecting the British Star Wars newspaper strips... I used to have one book that compiled them, but I forget what it was called. One of the stories was "War on Ice." I know it's on theforce.net somewhere.

Originally posted by Guancho
I've just discovered this thread... unfortunately Nicobozo seems to be "missed in combat", I'm sure we could have been talking about comics for hours. I'm a huge fan of european comic -mainly from the 80s-. In general, I've never enjoyed the american comic-books (Marvel and so on). SORRY; BUT IT'S TRUE!. Just my opinion, OK?....no one has mentioned artists as Moebius, Enki Bilal, Segrelles, Hugo Pratt, Max... and so many others! Frank Miller, Richard Corben and Tanino Liberatore are Capital Names also for me). I'm alone in my cosmic comics planet?.

Hi Guancho I just returned to the Xchange, nice to see other European comic geeks have joined...For some reason I was renamed NicoBozo in my absens (it was my loginname) but around here I'm known as 80sSmurf, Smurfy and a bunch of other names I forgot.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to discussing comics with you, but I've just recieved an invitation to LL, so I'll stop by later :)

Almost forgot...Yup I know all of those artists you mentioned, so get ready to post

Originally posted by Mary C
Talk about your non-serious comic series. Hehe.

I'm also interested in collecting the British Star Wars newspaper strips... I used to have one book that compiled them, but I forget what it was called. One of the stories was "War on Ice." I know it's on theforce.net somewhere.
Non-serious comic series... most part already mentioned in this thread, I think: Asterix (Goscinny/Uderzo, I don't really like the albums made after Goscinny's death) Lucky Lucke (Goscinny/Morris), Tintin.... in second term Smurfs and spanish artists like Ibáñez or Jan. Also Quino's "Mafalda", in my opinion the best all-times newspaper strip comic.

In the other hand: I'm sorry I don't know the British Star Wars strips... but I can investigate it. And surely any of our Bristish members can help you.

Hi Guancho I just returned to the Xchange, nice to see other European comic geeks have joined...For some reason I was renamed NicoBozo in my absens (it was my loginname) but around here I'm known as 80sSmurf, Smurfy and a bunch of other names I forgot.
Anyways, I'm looking forward to discussing comics with you, but I've just recieved an invitation to LL, so I'll stop by later :)

Almost forgot...Yup I know all of those artists you mentioned, so get ready to post
:) So you're not missed in combat, you just were in the "Lost and Found" section... :D Glad to meet you so!
My favorite artist is Enki Bilal, my most admired is Francesc Capdevila, "Max".
I'm a little bit in a hurry now, but I look forward to hearing to you! :)

Bilal is truly an artist, tho' I didn't like his stories in the 80s - I was in my teens then and didn't always understand the political undertones/messages in his stories. But as I grew older, my political & historical awareness grew too (surprise ;) ) and I found myself loving his comics. I'm especially fond of "The Hunt" & "The prize of immortality" (these are translations of danish titles, I'll find the original titles later)...I like to compare Bilal with Moebius. They both put so much life and detail into their stories.

The last few years I've been heavily into Bisley. Some people concider his artwork to be messy and ugly, well not me. True aspect ratios & limbsizes don't usually match, but there's just something about the way he sets up a page...He simply takes a shite on all conventional ways of telling a story, and seeing him and Miller work together was a joy.

As for Asterix, Guancho...In my oppinion the best comic ever made...YES EVER!!!! Why ? Consider this...Artwork is fluid, alive and extremely weel done. It can be read by peol,e of all ages. I remember reading Asterix before I learned to actually read. You can "read" and understand the story just by looking at the pics. As I learned to read I also found more detail in the stories and now that I'm all grown-up (physically that is :) ) I can still enjoy Asterix and all the little gags in both pics and text...Then again my last comment may be due to very good danish translations. I've read some english editions of Asterix, and somehow they were just not as funny as the danish, the tone/language missed something....

Phew loooong post, I better stop for now, I could go on for hours :D

I've ever thought there are two kinds of comic: one is just to have fun, to make laugh (Asterix, Lucky Lucke, strips and so on); the second one is "serious", taken comic as an Art... I think some dessigns of Bilal or Moebius can be exposed perfectly in a Museum of Modern Art, do you understand me?.

I cannot say what's better, because they fight not only in different categories, but in different sports; is like a Boxer fighting against a Wrestler. I enjoy both kinds of comic, but in a different way (is like hearing classical music or pop music: I cannot compare it, every kind suits a different moment).

End of the 1st chapter, more coming soon!

See Gauncho now we have ourselfes a li'l difference of opinion :)
Altho' I see your point regarding dividing comics in subcategories, I must disagree. Sure some comics make you laugh, others take up some serious issues, but in my little (narrowminded ?) world they shouldn't be. A comic is a comic an as such is to be considered art by defintion :)

Lots of "serious" comics can also be read with a smile ie. Judge Dredd & Lobo...

But don't misunderstand me, I'm not putting any of your fave comics down, 'coz you certainly have a valid point about Moebius & Bilal, they really make some amazing artwork, but so does a lot of other artists (at least IMHO).

Now young man get on with Chapter 2 ;)

:D Opinions are as noses: everyone has his own one...

OK, I've read somewhere in that thread that you like Ibáñez... I think that's a kind of comic that was made only in Spain, so surely anyone more in the xchange will know it. Ibáñez made a lot of "classic" characters, and he's still working on it (although I think he made his best albums just in the beginning). In Spain is still a reference for children; characters as "Mortadelo and Filemón" have even their own PC game. But is a kind of comic difficult to be understood out of our culture; foreign people is just not used to it. I remember a frenchie 80s friend that just couldn't understand this kind of "surrealist" humour... she was used to comics like "Spirou" and couldn't accept a comic that just tried to make a continuous gag; she expected a "story" (and Ibáñez is just an unfinished non-sense).
:confused: I'm not sure if I should post all of that on this board... talking about something that nobody knows can be absolutelly boring for the rest of the members!. So if anyone more is interested, I think it's better to talk about spanish comics using PMs, OK?

Ha ha ha ha I love Ibanez. I don't much about his work besides "Mortadelo y Filémon" & "13 rue del Percebe", but those crack me every time I read 'em :D ...I know his made some other stuff, 'coz I've seen some spanish magazines (I forget the names), but AFAIK these have never ben printed in Denmark :(
I think he even made something with a guy very similar to Gaston LaGaffe...I would love to see that in danish print.

I think you're right about him being misunderstood, 'coz I haven't met many poeple who like his gags, & that's a shame.

I don't think we should keep these interesting conversations to ourselfes, I'm sure someone on the board is bopund to read this, and may even gain some knowledge &/or appetite for european comics...I say we keep this in the open, hope that's okay with you :)

Uhmmm... the spanish magazines you say are surely "Tío Vivo" or "Pulgarcito"; the "whole" albums were published in the collection "Olé". The character similar to Gaston LaGaffe is "El Botones Sacarino". You're right, I think is just TOO similar... I would like to know who was the first character, because the other has to be a copy!. Moreover: I've been looking for information about Ibáñez in the net, but it's really difficult to find something in english... although it seems that "Mortadelo y Filemón" (called "Clever & Smart" in english) were a success in Germany (any german member can confirm us that? :confused: ). And... (WHAT A SURPRISE!) I've found the page of another dutch fan!... casually in Kopenhagen... (I wish he wouldn't be your brother :lol: ) just follow the yellow bricks path!==> http://home.worldonline.nl/~gjkeizer/strip/frame_strip.html ... ==> http://stp.ling.uu.se/~erikt/mortadelo/paling.en.ko.html.

A curiosity for you: in "13 Rue del Percebe", the renter of the roof whot's always persecuted by the creditors ("Vázquez") is just a character with the same name and look as another comic artist who drew in the same magazines! (that's another characteristic of his sense of humor).
Finally... you see I keep this in the open board... maybe someone gains some appetite for european comics... maybe we'll find a poll about "should that pair of comic library rats be banned of the boards?". All is possible... :lol:

Originally posted by Guancho
... maybe someone gains some appetite for european comics... maybe we'll find a poll about "should that pair of comic library rats be banned of the boards?". All is possible... :lol:

Yeah let's put it to da people! Should we banned ? Are we that boring ? :D

As for who was first Gaston or Sacarino, I'm not sure, I'll do some research on that later. I do know however, that Gaston debuted in feb. 1957, but since Ibanez was 1st published in 1954, there's a possibility that he did invent Sacarino before Franquin got around to making Gaston...I'll consult my books later :)

BTW have u been here Lambiek (http://www.lambiek.net/home.htm) Great site, it's an online mini-comicsencyclopedia...

Oh and thanx for the trivia, always nice to know the li'l details (at least for a geek like me).
A question for u my friend: What does 13 Rue del Percebe translate to in english ???
I'm asking 'coz the dansih translation is: 13 Wacky-wacky street...and I'd like to know the original title :)

Originally posted by 80sSmurf
Yeah let's put it to da people! Should we banned ? Are we that boring ? :D

"Don't call the bad weather... it can answer you!" (old spanish proverb).

About Gaston Lagaffe & Sacarino, I've made a quick investigation, and is quite obvious that was Ibáñez who copied Franquin http://lcg-www.uia.ac.be/~erikt/mortadelo/franquin.html .

A question for u my friend: What does 13 Rue del Percebe translate to in english ???
I'm asking 'coz the dansih translation is: 13 Wacky-wacky street...and I'd like to know the original title :)
That's not easy to explain, because this name has a double-meaning. "Percebe", in itself, is a kind of shellfish; but this word in Spain is also used to design a simple-minded person, someone with a very small intelligence (and that's the moment my english vocabulary fails and I cannot give you a correct word to translate it... maybe "dumb"?). Moreover: street in spanish is "calle"; "rue" is used only few times, and has some "ignorancy" connotations: people who uses "rue" instead of "calle" is showed as smalltown (and without cutlure) people. So "Rue del Percebe" means the street where the cleverless people lives, more or less. And the number 13 is just "bad luck". All together is just a joke, as usual.
More about that matter: all Ibáñez works are a continuous non-sense, and sometimes titles or names have been chosen only to put a smile in your face, just because it were ridiculous... not for any "intelligent" reason. That's the case of "El botones Sacarino" (I really don't understand how can it have been translated "Tom Tiger"!!!). The name "sacarino" is just a joke, using a "female" word (in this case saccharin, "sacarina") with a "male" ending. The same case in "Mortadelo", which is a "male-fication" of "mortadela", a kind of food, also the professor "Bacterio", for "bacteria" (Bacterium)... and a lot more. In these cases, the word itself can make you smile, and no necessarily has to be related with the character.
Another case of funny names: Vázquez created "Gilda sisters". After the title, the explanation: the surname of these sisters was "HermeneGILDA" and "LeoviGILDA", both visigotic names still in use in Spain (buth with very strong "smalltown" and "forget-in-yime" connotations!). Of course "Gilda sisters" was a reference to Lauren Bacall's film...

P.S. Nice to see your pic in the avatar... I was a little bit surprised (I don't know why I had the idea that your skin was blue... :lol: )

Anyone wanna take a guess with my screen name?;)

Yes, I am an Archie Comics freak...began collecting them in 1987...15 years later and 1200 comics later, I still read and collect them!

Originally posted by Guancho

"Don't call the bad weather... it can answer you!" (old spanish proverb).

About Gaston Lagaffe & Sacarino, I've made a quick investigation, and is quite obvious that was Ibáñez who copied Franquin http://lcg-www.uia.ac.be/~erikt/mortadelo/franquin.html .


That's not easy to explain, because this name has a double-meaning. "Percebe", in itself, is a kind of shellfish; but this word in Spain is also used to design a simple-minded person, someone with a very small intelligence (and that's the moment my english vocabulary fails and I cannot give you a correct word to translate it... maybe "dumb"?). Moreover: street in spanish is "calle"; "rue" is used only few times, and has some "ignorancy" connotations: people who uses "rue" instead of "calle" is showed as smalltown (and without cutlure) people. So "Rue del Percebe" means the street where the cleverless people lives, more or less. And the number 13 is just "bad luck". All together is just a joke, as usual.
More about that matter: all Ibáñez works are a continuous non-sense, and sometimes titles or names have been chosen only to put a smile in your face, just because it were ridiculous... not for any "intelligent" reason. That's the case of "El botones Sacarino" (I really don't understand how can it have been translated "Tom Tiger"!!!). The name "sacarino" is just a joke, using a "female" word (in this case saccharin, "sacarina") with a "male" ending. The same case in "Mortadelo", which is a "male-fication" of "mortadela", a kind of food, also the professor "Bacterio", for "bacteria" (Bacterium)... and a lot more. In these cases, the word itself can make you smile, and no necessarily has to be related with the character.
Another case of funny names: Vázquez created "Gilda sisters". After the title, the explanation: the surname of these sisters was "HermeneGILDA" and "LeoviGILDA", both visigotic names still in use in Spain (buth with very strong "smalltown" and "forget-in-yime" connotations!). Of course "Gilda sisters" was a reference to Lauren Bacall's film...

P.S. Nice to see your pic in the avatar... I was a little bit surprised (I don't know why I had the idea that your skin was blue... :lol: )

Your very interesting to discuss comics with Guancho (that's a biiiiig compliment coming from this Smurf)...Right now I don't have the time to reply to the above post, but I certainly will do later...

Stay mellow buddy ;)

I think a lot of the good ol' european artists were "inspired" by each other like Ibanez was by Franquin. Not a big surprise after all, since most of them worked with one another from time to time.
The european way of making a comic has even been divided into to major schools (of inspiration): Ligne Claire (eg. Hergé) & Marcinelle (eg. Franquin). I like 'em both and do not prefer one to the other :) I grew up on that stuff, and love it no end :D

But it's also nice to see that European artists managed to get inspired by the US way of making a comic. The more filmic & epic way of approaching the media. I love what 2000ad did with Judge Dredd. Not only the art and story, but the whole feel and atmosphere 'bout the characters & environment. How they've imagined and depicted a future, built on what they saw happening in the world up to & during the seventies.
They really bulit a comic of epic proportions with that....Yup Smurf is into Dredd big time :D
Oh and the judge looks & accesories were designed by Carlos Ezquerra (later on he also made the artwork on Al's Baby)

Originally posted by 80sSmurf
Your very interesting to discuss comics with Guancho (that's a biiiiig compliment coming from this Smurf)...
I'm sure it is... and I appreciate it twice coming from someone like you!. I'm sure your comic culture is a load bigger than mine...

About both european schools ("clara" and "oscura" in Spain): when I started to be really interested in comics I was a "clear" supporter, but mostly for different reasons as the "art" itself. It seemed to exist a difference in the subjects related to one or another school: "dark" comics had more violence, sex and... freaky readers, in general (OK, of course I'm not talking about Franquin!). I mean Crumb, Corben, Max, Beroy, Liberatore... "clear" comics were more "elegant", you know what I mean?. But currently I cannot find that difference, "clear" comics have sex and violence (Manara, Serpieri) and vice versa. So I don't think really what kind of style I prefer; it's only a question of artists -and sometimes a question of albums.
I'm a little bit lost talking about Judge Dredd, but I think I've understood what you meant.... although I cannot remember any example as clear as yours just now. But it's true that comics has been influenced by films -more or less in the same way that films have been influenced by comics ;)-. That would be maybe a good thread, connections between comics & films, don't you think so?.
And that reminds me another kind of relations; in this case about comics and greek history... :D. The last album of Frank Miller I bought is "300". OK, I'll try to get the attention of all the maybe slept readers of this thread:
Anyone has read "300" by Frank Miller? . It's superb. And a demonstration of how an artist can do a master work with a good development of a story.Enough for today... if anyone has seen that work, I'll be glad of hearing your comments!
Keep in touch my friend...

I'm a little late replying to this thread, but my favourite comics are Archie Comics.
I've read other kinds, such as X-Men, but never became a fan.
What I like about Archie comics are the real-life issues they deal with, such as school, dating and other teenage issues.

Originally posted by Guancho
...it's true that comics has been influenced by films -more or less in the same way that films have been influenced by comics ;)-. That would be maybe a good thread, connections between comics & films, don't you think so?.
And that reminds me another kind of relations; in this case about comics and greek history... :D. The last album of Frank Miller I bought is "300". OK, I'll try to get the attention of all the maybe slept readers of this thread:
Anyone has read "300" by Frank Miller? . It's superb. And a demonstration of how an artist can do a master work with a good development of a story.Enough for today... if anyone has seen that work, I'll be glad of hearing your comments!
Keep in touch my friend...

That would make a good thread Guancho, go to the suggestion box and..well...suggest it :D

As for "300", I haven't read it (I know baaaaad Smurf, hang your head in shame), but if it's just even close to his earlier work I'm sure it's topnotch. Did he do the artwork himself ?
I remember back in the 80s when Miller reinvented DareDevil...WOW see that's how u make a great story...His "Bad Boy" is also highly recommendable, and the fact that it's drawn by Bisley only makes it better :)
"Sin City", "Wolverine" the list goes on...Frank Miller is by far one of the most influential storytellers/artists in the last 30 years. The man really brought some life to the world of comics...He showed the rest of the world new ways of telling a story :)

Originally posted by 80sSmurf


That would make a good thread Guancho, go to the suggestion box and..well...suggest it :D:D As the always-in-a-hurry member I am, I have'nt had time enough yet to discover some strange lands in the xchange, such as this "suggestion box" you mention... :D Now I'm forced to surf these unknown seas of information... :lol:
As for "300", I haven't read it (I know baaaaad Smurf, hang your head in shame), but if it's just even close to his earlier work I'm sure it's topnotch. Did he do the artwork himself ?
I remember back in the 80s when Miller reinvented DareDevil...WOW see that's how u make a great story...His "Bad Boy" is also highly recommendable, and the fact that it's drawn by Bisley only makes it better :)
"Sin City", "Wolverine" the list goes on...Frank Miller is by far one of the most influential storytellers/artists in the last 30 years. The man really brought some life to the world of comics...He showed the rest of the world new ways of telling a story :)
Well, you haven't read "300"... bad thing, black smurf... ;) I haven't read most of the works that Miller did before "300", so :D better don't be ashamed... the previous comics of Miller weren't specially interesting for me, but I was astonished seeing the artwork in "300" (yes, he done it himself). It's... "VISUAL", absolutelly; you'd enjoy it still if it was a mute story. It's a master work, no doubt about that. So now I'm retro-actively interested in what he did before... I've to read "Sin City" again, surely I'd appreciate it more now.
:eek: Ooops, Gargamel is coming, I've to run now... ;)

Originally posted by Guancho
...I've to read "Sin City" again, surely I'd appreciate it more now)...

OK it's a deal you re-read "Sin City" and I'll definitely take a gander :eek: @ "300"...:)

Guancho I was thinking, since you enjoy the work of Ibanez, what do you think of strips ? ... I know strips are not of epic proportions or artistic ground-breaking (not every comic has to be ;) ), but I can enjoy & appreciate stuff like Calvin & Hoobes, Peanuts, Non Sequitur etc. just as much as I enjoy the work of Bolland or Miller.

I know that a lot of the jokes & gags in strips are very repetitive & that they are all basically alike, but still I find great amusement in seeing how artist have to re-invent old jokes, sort like giving them new clothes on :)

What does everybody else have to say about this ? :)

Originally posted by 80sSmurf


Guancho I was thinking, since you enjoy the work of Ibanez, what do you think of strips ? ... I know strips are not of epic proportions or artistic ground-breaking (not every comic has to be ;) ), but I can enjoy & appreciate stuff like Calvin & Hoobes, Peanuts, Non Sequitur etc. just as much as I enjoy the work of Bolland or Miller.

I know that a lot of the jokes & gags in strips are very repetitive & that they are all basically alike, but still I find great amusement in seeing how artist have to re-invent old jokes, sort like giving them new clothes on :)

What does everybody else have to say about this ? :) My personal favorites: "Mafalda" by Quino (although I've to recognize that the humour is maybe too "political"). But anyway is my Nr. 1. I like also "Garfield" and, in the last years, "Calvin & Hobbes" (the best one currently, in my opinion).
Really, reading these strips now reminds me the same "gags" in "Mafalda" (specially the gags based on the contrast between imagined & real world). But a great gag can be widely re-invented without losing its capacity of making us laugh... ;)

The only comics I bought on a regular basis were Superman & Wonder Woman. I personally liked the art and stories of both mags. Although I must admit, I wasn't much of a comic book fan growing up. Not until after high school did I one. Sometimes when I walk down to my distributor, I'll just look at the cover to see if it's interesting. If it is, I'll buy it.
Now, I'm more into graphic novels.

Originally posted by Polar Bear Jeff
I'm a little late replying to this thread, but my favourite comics are Archie Comics.
I've read other kinds, such as X-Men, but never became a fan.
What I like about Archie comics are the real-life issues they deal with, such as school, dating and other teenage issues. Just I've to put this link there:
http://www.80sxchange.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9190

Jughead seems to have the same taste in comics as you! ;)

I never really took the DC road, I was always more of a Marvel man. X-men, Spiderman, DareDevil stuff like that..I abandoned Marvel many years ago, and only occasionally buy any of their stuff, and only if the artist and story writer are among my faves :)
I'll admnit I always was a sucker for the european comic style (only natural since I grew up here :D )

Im more a fan of comic strips that comic books

But the comic books I like are:
Everything made by DC and Marvel... my only dream is that they one day get together and do something big

The horror/gore comics from the 30s and 40s... which caused the Comic Book Code to be set it. The Tales from the Crypt ones are the best

My favorite comic books characters are all girls
Chasity, Barbarella, Vampira, Witch Blade, Wonder Women, Scarlet Witch

And on cross overs, I think that the Buffy/Angel comic cross over are the best done, I didnt like the ones done before.

Originally posted by Tydestra
... Everything made by DC and Marvel... my only dream is that they one day get together and do something big


They have done a lot of work together, tho' right now I can only think of Superman vs. Spiderman .... That is great BTW .... But you're right, it would be nice to see an epic cross-over along the lines of Marvel's Secret Wars :p

Originally posted by Tydestra

The horror/gore comics from the 30s and 40s... which caused the Comic Book Code to be set it. The Tales from the Crypt ones are the best


You should check out Wrightson, he can draw a horror comic, that'll make you go :eek: I think the most famous piece he ever did was Swampthing ...and it's WOW :thumb:

Originally posted by Tydestra

My favorite comic books characters are all girls
Chasity, Barbarella, Vampira, Witch Blade, Wonder Women, Scarlet Witch


Tomb Raider ???
I know Lara's also been co-starring in some Witchblade stories, looked great, nice artwork .... I must admit tho' I haven't read too much Witchblade.

Hey Guancho, do you dig Den Saga ??? I haven't got them all ( geez , 20 years in the making ) But I think it's still the best Corben's work !!!!

TGND " Guancho, I get you 20/20 . Anyone for Robert Crumb ? "

Originally posted by That Guy Next Door
Hey Guancho, do you dig Den Saga ??? I haven't got them all ( geez , 20 years in the making ) But I think it's still the best Corben's work !!!!

TGND " Guancho, I get you 20/20 . Anyone for Robert Crumb ? " I can't believe it!!!!. :eek: I've something in common with you?!!. :yikes:.
I agree with you, DEN is the best Corben's work (together with "mutant world"). I've all the material that has been published in Spain (that's not so much, more or less 6 "complete" albums). Corben is a genius in the use of colors and I like the comics based on "Howard's characters" (BTW, have you read Corben's "Bloodstar"?). And I don't forget the way he draws the human shape, men (you know Corben was a body builder?) and women (uh... I need to comment what ALL Corben's girls have in commmon?).
In the other side: Crumb is not my favorite (just a little bit too underground for me), but "Fritz, the cat", that's a classic. But sex, drugs, blood, more sex, politics, social criticisms, and even more sex ...I suppose it's quite difficult to digest by anyone who likes Tintin, for instance ;).

Originally posted by 80sSmurf
They have done a lot of work together, tho' right now I can only think of Superman vs. Spiderman .... That is great BTW .... But you're right, it would be nice to see an epic cross-over along the lines of Marvel's Secret Wars :p

You should check out Wrightson, he can draw a horror comic, that'll make you go :eek: I think the most famous piece he ever did was Swampthing ...and it's WOW :thumb:

Tomb Raider ???
I know Lara's also been co-starring in some Witchblade stories, looked great, nice artwork .... I must admit tho' I haven't read too much Witchblade.

I mean EPIC, huge... yrs in the making, every character from DC and Marvel come back, the boys and girls get together, make babies, they die, the kids grow up kind of EPIC! :) I loved the Marvel SWs!

I've seen some of Wrightson works, it very good... but Im not a fan of modern horror comics. All gore and no art to it... Tales of Crypt had it all!

Ah Tomb Raider...
I :bowdown: to the game, but frankly my dear... the comic reeks :yucky: :eek: You have to read Witch Blade, like now! :)

Posted by lizard boy Guancho :
I can't believe it!!!!. I've something in common with you?!!. .
I agree with you, DEN is the best Corben's work (together with "mutant world"). I've all the material that has been published in Spain (that's not so much, more or less 6 "complete" albums). Corben is a genius in the use of colors and I like the comics based on "Howard's characters" (BTW, have you read Corben's "Bloodstar"?). And I don't forget the way he draws the human shape, men (you know Corben was a body builder?) and women (uh... I need to comment what ALL Corben's girls have in commmon?).
In the other side: Crumb is not my favorite (just a little bit too underground for me), but "Fritz, the cat", that's a classic. But sex, drugs, blood, more sex, politics, social criticisms, and even more sex ...I suppose it's quite difficult to digest by anyone who likes Tintin, for instance

I can't believe it either ....... I totally agree with you, except the Crumb's part ..... I really dig the Snoid !!!! They must be right, growing must mellow me out !!! But hey , Againk, nobody seems to dig Simon Bisley , who's vastly inspired by Corben and Frazzeta , but can actually draw better than anyone, is strangely muscular and look like a bodybuilder or .... one of his character, you should check out his art ......
Also saw comment about Bernie Wrightson ..... AWESOME !!!

But my, Ty ? Witchblade ?? are you 8 ? These are very stereotyped comics ...........

I also found out that Liberatore did much more than just draw, he also paint and sculpt and everything .....

note That I have tried many different kind of comics so everything mentionned here , I heard of it !

TGND " In comics as in everything else .... BE A DEVIATIONIST !!! "

Originally posted by That Guy Next Door
... nobody seems to dig Simon Bisley , who's vastly inspired by Corben and Frazzeta ...

Ahem, TGND ... Buddy, if you were to read this entire thread from end to end (yup, it's a bit long, I dunno why :D )you'd notice I am a Bisley fan .... Dredd, Lobo and the superb Lost Boy (story by Frank Miller :thumb:) are among my fave pices from him :p

I always read Spawn when I visit Flix. I think it is very well drawn and the stories are really good. I do not really read comic books normally. They are too hard to get into unless you have collected from # 1.

I didn't really collect comic books, but my favorite cartoon and cartoon strip is Garfield. I used to have a lot of Garfield related merchandise such as a t-shirt, Garfield stuffed animal, etc.

Originally posted by Guancho
... although it seems that "Mortadelo y Filemón" (called "Clever & Smart" in english) were a success in Germany (any german member can confirm us that? :confused: ).

Yup - affirmative. ;)
Clever&Smart were pretty huge in Germany, a former classmate lent me his C&S collection, and I had spent hours with laughing my ass off. :lol:
Unfortunately, Ibanez' other comics didn't caught on very much here, and later issues of C&S weren't that funny anymore (or my sense of humour had changed).

Anyone remembers Bonvi's "Sturmtruppen" (subtitle: "That was Daddys Wehrmacht")?
Those comics were a laughing riot (of course, this requires a bit of some twisted sense of humour, but there is no glorification of fascism or the WWII)...if the Wehrmacht had been similar to the characters depicted there, they would have never reached the outskirts of Berlin even... :laugh:

And, I have recently rediscovered a few isssues of "Zack", a German comic series featuring episodes from series like "Dan Cooper" and "Michel Vailiant". Used to read them quite frequent as a kid - no wonder, I guess that jet fighters and automobiles had interested almost every boy in the age between 8 - 12. ;)
I can remember that some actually existing characters like Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve (F1-racers) were woven into the stories...think I will keep my eyes open for those comics next time I'm visiting an flea market.

Originally posted by That Guy Next Door
But my, Ty ? Witchblade ?? are you 8 ? These are very stereotyped comics

That deserve a good round of kicks to the shin, but Im not gonna give in. I like Witch Blade, so sue me... I actually own the blade, the entire arm piece that turns into the blade :) I watch the show... et all :)

Originally posted by Thatguynextdoorix
I can't believe it either ....... I totally agree with you, except the Crumb's part ..... I really dig the Snoid !!!! They must be right, growing must mellow me out !!! But hey , Againk, nobody seems to dig Simon Bisley , who's vastly inspired by Corben and Frazzeta , but can actually draw better than anyone, is strangely muscular and look like a bodybuilder or .... one of his character, you should check out his art ......
Also saw comment about Bernie Wrightson ..... AWESOME !!!
I also found out that Liberatore did much more than just draw, he also paint and sculpt and everything .....
Bisley, Bisley... mostly unknown :uhoh:. I like Frazetta, but I know only his "illustration" works. Bernie Wrightson... the master of the macabre"? :D. It suits you, TG...I have only "Freaks show"... another classic!.
I didn't know anything at all about the other activities of Tanino Liberatore. I'm sorry because his last work (Rank Xerox 3 - Amen!) it's not as good as the previous ones -in my opinion; the death of Tamburini marks a "before" and an "after".
Originally posted by wavemaster
Yup - affirmative. ;)
Clever&Smart were pretty huge in Germany, a former classmate lent me his C&S collection, and I had spent hours with laughing my ass off. :lol:
Unfortunately, Ibanez' other comics didn't caught on very much here, and later issues of C&S weren't that funny anymore (or my sense of humour had changed).

Anyone remembers Bonvi's "Sturmtruppen" (subtitle: "That was Daddys Wehrmacht")?
Those comics were a laughing riot (of course, this requires a bit of some twisted sense of humour, but there is no glorification of fascism or the WWII)...if the Wehrmacht had been similar to the characters depicted there, they would have never reached the outskirts of Berlin even... :laugh:

And, I have recently rediscovered a few isssues of "Zack", a German comic series featuring episodes from series like "Dan Cooper" and "Michel Vailiant". Used to read them quite frequent as a kid - no wonder, I guess that jet fighters and automobiles had interested almost every boy in the age between 8 - 12. ;)
I can remember that some actually existing characters like Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve (F1-racers) were woven into the stories...think I will keep my eyes open for those comics next time I'm visiting an flea market.

Finally, after so many days, an answer!. So really there's comic life in another planets! :Lol:. Thanks for your information, wave. And I agree absolutelly with you, the best Ibañez works were made in his first years. Maybe 10 albums, but WERE SO GOOD!.
...I have the 16 first volumes of "Stürmtruppen". I think you're absolutelly right (about the twisted sense of humour) but I think it's a humour very intelligent. I like it, and I suppose that people like TG (or should I say animals like TG? :D) would like it too.

And... about Michael Vaillian... I think I've seen something about that series, but... were not a success in Spain, and I was not too intested. I cannot answer your question, but I think it's just the kind of question that we can address to our expert smurf... :D

Originally posted by Iluvthe80s
I didn't really collect comic books, but my favorite cartoon and cartoon strip is Garfield. I used to have a lot of Garfield related merchandise such as a t-shirt, Garfield stuffed animal, etc.
I like Garfield, and I like specially a Garfield figurine I still have: wide-opened-hands-on-ears and SHOWING HIS WHOLE TONGUE).

Yup, Waver I remember Sturmtruppen, unfortunately we only got to see 2 albums in Denmark. Useles trivia; it's done by Bonvi, and has been made into both a teathtrical play and a flik :) .... I haven't seen any of the albums in any used-comics stores, which is a shame, since this would be an essential buy for me.

Michel Vailant never really did anything for me. Sorry but I think it's more like a comic-soap. It's nicely drawn tho' (with obvious inspiration from the Ligne Claire) and with good use of onomatopoetika ... the stories are just too boring

Posted by 80ssmurf :
you'd notice I am a Bisley fan

you, I so looove you ( no tongue kissing however ! I got a rep ) I literaly worship the guy and I'd die to meet him in person .... if he ever come to France ...... I still look at what he's doing for Heavy Metal Magazine ..... still kick me in the ehad and slap me around ....... I REALLY WORSHIP the guy ..........

Posted by the amazing Web shooting Guancho :
the death of Tamburini marks a "before" and an "after".

i can hardly say the contrary ... still the art kickass even tho' it's not the "real" Ranx .... znort ...... !!!!

TGND " Wow, so what you got from him !!! "

Originally posted by That Guy Next Door


you, I so looove you ( no tongue kissing however ! I got a rep )

:lol: Metal to the bone huh ? :thumb:

Guess I don't have to tell you that Bisley didn't start out as a comic artist, and never even pursued that carrer, untill he was offered to do some coverwork for 2000ad .... Things kinda snowballed for him after that, and now he's one of the most asked for artists of our time .... and with good reason. He may not keep thingts in the correct aspect-ratio (perspective ???), but he has a way of giving a drawing life, and he's use of colors, which is largely due to the fact that he doesn't always color with ink, he also uses airbrush, charcoal, markers etc.

BTW glad to see this thread finally taking the turn I intended for it, this is so great .... Thanx to everyone who's participated so far (and those who plan to ;) )

Originally posted by 80sSmurf
Yup, Waver I remember Sturmtruppen, unfortunately we only got to see 2 albums in Denmark. Useles trivia; it's done by Bonvi, and has been made into both a teathtrical play and a flik :) .... I haven't seen any of the albums in any used-comics stores, which is a shame, since this would be an essential buy for me.

Michel Vailant never really did anything for me. Sorry but I think it's more like a comic-soap. It's nicely drawn tho' (with obvious inspiration from the Ligne Claire) and with good use of onomatopoetika ... the stories are just too boring

Ono...what??? :lol:

Well, in the case of Bonvi's Sturmtruppen, it's strongly recommended that you have to spend a week here...some nice comic shops can be found downtown. ;)

Adtmittedly, the stories of Michel Vaillant were rather plain (if not to say boring sometimes :D), but I do had liked the drawings, especially when the stories were woven into the F1-scene.

Do I have mentioned Kevin&Kell? It's a very hilarious online comic strip issued daily...check it out
here. (http://www.kevinandkell.com)

Onomatopoetika (pl) - Words that show sounds ... Eg. Zip, boom, vroom etc. ;) :p

Smurf dude, you think you can teach me something about the Biz ... I got his very first pro work .... ABC Warriors in B&W ... even though it's not painted or crap , it's already overly detailed, tho' it's way way cleaner than now ... but his first pro work was oustandingly good for starters .... better than most guys ... Did you see his work on Verotik with his take on Frazzeta's character or Bodycount, with .... the ninja turtles ? .... or his work for Heavy Metal, with Simon Coldwater or Fistfuls of Blood ? or even more recent work ....... he works for so many companies that ..... he was called a mercenary ......... I don't follow everything cause he''s tough to follow ... What impresses me is that when he wants, he can make an oustandingly re"alistic panel and rush the next, often draw a face a arm or a hand to perfection then rushes the rest ... but there's no doubt that he's got the ability to draw damn near anything perfect ..... he's just not interested in being clean ........

TGND " And I could go on and on and on and on about the Biz ! "

Originally posted by That Guy Next Door
Smurf dude, you think you can teach me something about the Biz ...

TGND " And I could go on and on and on and on about the Biz ! "

:lol: Nope, sure don't wanna go there with a guy who has a Bisley avatar .... BTW I did say Guess I don't have to tell you ... .... just my clever way of introducing more info about a fave artist, to people who doin't know him ;)

Oh and yes, I did see ABC warriors and even have a few albums myself .... tho' I like the artwork, the stories never really appealled to me, dunno why, they just don't :)

80sSmurf "then please do go on and on about the Biz !" ;) :D

As far as Ican tell, Biz has done just a few black and white stories for ABC Warriors, but ( honest ) I saw people confused between Biz ABC Warriors and Kevin Walker ( lame painter guy ! )'s ABCs ..... did you know he also did a Punisher back up story ? anyway, Did anyone mention Milo Manara and Eleuteri serpieri, ?the way they drw women rocks ......... and the other day in chat , I was talking with Retro, our resident bassist and artist about Jamie Hewlett and Alan Martin from Tank Gurl ..... way cool !!!!!

TGND " Comics can lead to confusion in the minds of a younger audience ! "

I've heard something about Milo Manara and Eleuteri Serpieri? :naughty: :lol:
I like the drawings of Manara, but I don't like the kind of comic he draws (I mean, basically X-rated). I like his first works (like "the king monkey" with Silverio Pisu), and I think his best one is "Indian summer", together with Hugo Pratt (...but even this one have some unnecesary explicit sex scenes). I know that sex means lots of money, but... it's a pity, because the stories he draws just suck. I mean he would be a great artist... if he prefered art better than money.
Sepieri is likely Manara, but not exactly the same, if that has any sense. I like "Druuna" series: also plenty of "unnecesary" sex, but... at least he uses a GOOD storyboard, a plot more or less believable!. And it's a different style of comic, Manara is "pure ligne claire" and Serpieri is quite darker. And about the women they draw, well... Manara it's more artistic and delicated, and Serpieri it's like Richard Corben... volume and powerful curves... Ok, I think that's enough by now...
(BTW, danyone knows the artwork of MAX?)

Same as Guancho :D
Sure Milo can draw, but to me it's just plain old boring porn (I prefer that on a tape :D )

TGND; nope didn't know about that punisher back-up ... Where was it printed and was it gory ?? (why do I even ask that :lol: )

It's in Punisher 75, the cover feature the Punisher's head with a slight emboss and a black background holding a knife .... this is a 4 pages back up , but it's total Biz ..... I scanned it for the official Biz website and the guy was eager to have it and never thanked me .... him bastard ......... I'm not totally sure, but that may help you find it ........ ( sidenote : Biz is king for anatomy ! )

TGND " Huge BizFan ! "

I can't list all of the comics I've owned as there are just too many. But I will mention I collected Iron Man (had #6 I think), X-Men, Avengers, and Alpha Flight. I used to ride my bike in Junior High all the way from Santa Monica or Brentwood (if I was at my Grandparents) to Westwood just to get there when the new issues were out. I knew the day of the week and time they were put on the shelves.

I like the EC reprints of "Tales from the Crypt"; "Haunt of Fear", "Vault of Horror". I have alot of them.

I also collected other silver age horror comics such as "Ghosts"; "Unexpected", "Witching Hour", "The Many faces of Doctor Graves", "House of Mystery", "Ghostly Haunts", "Midnight Tales", "Haunted Love", "The Occult Files of doctor Spektor", "Ripley's Believe it or Not", "Twilight Zone"...and the list goes on and on and on. Anything that can tell me a good ghost story, I am there, although truthfully, I liked the morality of the 1950's era Tales from the Crypt, Haunt of Fear, and Vault of Horror, the best. They simply blew me away.

I wish I could find something in today's market along the same lines. It seems that my "style" or subject manor of comics has come to a sad end.