This is just a suggestion. 80sxchange.com looks and operates better with Internet Explorer. I've always done my best to have the site work perfectly with any browser, but nowadays I just do not have the time to keep up with Netscape shortcomings...

I only use Internet Explorer anyway. Thanks for the info though.

I wouldn't use that lowly, junky, piece of crap, sad excuse for a web browser if they payed me to :p If you hadn't noticed, I DESPISE Netscape with a passion. As a designer, it just pisses me off the way it screws up my pages...can't stand the frickin thing and I too don't have the time nor patience to make my site perfect in it, so now and forever, it's Internet Explorer all the way baby! :D

I know that the mighty Roem will now open up a can of whoopass on me :D ...personally I think that Netscape had/has also it good sides.

Okay, Netscape was/will be more critical on "clean scripting", which is bad for all web designers (see > "How to set up a table which won´t be completely ruined by Netscape" :D).

The missing of a proper Javascript support is also kinda annoying, but since some suckers are using it for flooding your screens with popups (example), I´m really thinking of switching the support in IE off.
And Active-X is the last evidence that Bill Gates is from hell...never seen such a crap before. I´ve heard that thousands of lamerz and script kiddies are now praying to Bill instead of any other entity...Active-X makes it so easy for those who know how to set new viruses free.
Besides...what to think of an applet which can change major settings in your Explorer without any notification? You will see it when you open that program again, and your usual start page has changed to one of these odd sex sites... :mad:

Netscape was a good tool for programmers...too bad that the developers couldn´t decide to make it a bit "dirtier" (I´m speaking of writing HTML-code here... ;)). So, they ruined it...I think most of you know that Netscape won´t be developed any further.

My 0.02$ here.

Nah...I won't kill ya for that wave...lol. We've had this discussion a couple times in the past :) I will agree that it's good for those who are html perfectionists and want every little inch and corner of their code to be a work of art, but for the average designer like myself who just wants a nice looking page, I don't need NS telling me it's all wrong... :p

I absolutely will not use Netscape. There was a time when that wasn't true. Back in the 3.0 days, I was a die hard for it. IE(with the right settings (Active X disabled)) though is a far better browser now. Unfortunately they do not make IE for Linux. I have come here before when booted into Linux and forced to use Mozilla (an open source Netscape clone(but much better)) and the page looks terrible. As a matter of fact, the header images at the top of the page won't even load. You just see raw code.

I didn't like using Netscape either. I think it is because we started surfing right away with IE. The problem is I have no idea how my own web page would look to someone using Netscape. If anyone does have Netscape can they take a look and tell me if everything is working or looks obscure. Thanks :)

NETSCAPE???? :p Nope.....don't care for it at all!

All I know is that I have Internet Explorer. I don't understand any of what all y'all are talking about. Call me a fluff chick, airhead, what-have-you....I just know that all of this looks great and so I am happy!!!

~Gretchen

Originally posted by dancingdoll86:
<STRONG>Call me a fluff chick, airhead, what-have-you....I just know that all of this looks great and so I am happy!!!

~Gretchen</STRONG>

Having never bothered with Netscape makes you pretty smart in my book ;) Just so ya know...Netscape is just an internet browser...and a horrid one at that :p

I figured I would add my comments too. I started using Netscape 3 with Windows 95. Back then it did a great job. I briefly used Netscape 6 which just plain SUCKS.

I still have 4.76 at home. I have nothing against Netscape and actually like it. The only bad things I've found is that it has really bad javascript support (which surprises me because Netscape invented javascript), and at least under version 4, it has some bug where after you have been using it for so many yours, you can't click on any links, you have to reboot. That has happened on 4 computers.

While most people praise Internet Explorer and say how great it is, I'll tell you right now that it is NOT anywhere near great. For one, if you have corrupt cache files, Netscape won't lock up. IE WILL. That has happened on MANY machines. Not necessarily every day, but it does happen. IE locks up.

I noticed a comment that said Mozilla is an open source clone of Netscape. Nope, that's backwards. Mozilla was the first graphical based web utility. Netscape is based off Mozilla, not the other way around. If you ever read server logs or see the javascript output of your software, it might say "Internet Explorer; Mozilla compatible" or something to that effect.

I believe more people use IE because it comes packaged with Winblows. It is not the best by far and has many shortcomings. Once you install Netscape, you can uninstall it. You cannot uninstall IE without deleting dozens of files, changing hundreds of registry entries, and even then, it is still there.

Ever noticed after you installed Netscape, you can Add/Remove it? You cannot do that with Internet Exploder.

You can easily disable javascript in Netscape. You cannot do that in IE. Why would you want to? Pop up windows for one are done in javascript, although you can get a pop up killer if you like (which I use).

Windows software is EXTREMELY proprietary. Ever tried getting your bookmarks (oh sorry, favorites... what a LAME term) or even your outlook emails exported? They are proprietary. There is no EASY way to get them out. At least with Netscape it is easy.

At home I use both Windows and Linux. When it comes to Windows, I mostly use IE simply because it loads a little faster. When I use Linux at home and work, I use Netscape.

To each his own. If someone feels IE is the best thing out there, then use it. I like Netscape better, but IE does handle some pages better. But remember, Microsoft does NOT follow most standards. They create many of their own.

If you don't think Microsoft creates new standards all the time, where do you think the term "developer" and "folder" came from? The terms are actually programmer and directory, but someone at Microsoft got a wild hair up their butt and started changing all the terms around. Now newbies think those are the right terms. They are not. Microsoft just likes to rename everything.

Oh yeah... one more thing... for anybody that loves Windows 9x and doesn't think its buggy or feels it is such a great, wonderful, killer operating system, how about this:

- After Microsoft bought out hotmail a few years ago, they tried to switch it from Unix to Windows NT with Exchange for email. The system promptly crashed. They had to revert back to Unix.

- Microsofts own main servers are Unix. Thats how much they trust their own operating system.

Microsoft, compatibility, and stable should never be in the same sentence. Can you tell I'm a Unix fan?

So again, use what you like. IE is nowhere near the best, and has MANY shortcomings, but it does an ok job. But as with anything else, it is proprietary. Microsoft does not follow most standards, they create their own.

It's a free country. Use IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Lynx, or whatever you want.

Oh yes...I read rumors in a Linux channel that Microsoft is supposed to write IE for Linux some time in the future. Linux and the open source community if just fine without Microsoft getting involved.

I suffered far more application crashes when using Netscape (once it broke into the 4.0 versions), than I have using IE. That is why I quit using it. If Netscape makes you happy though, then by all means use what you are comfortable with.

As far as Microsoft porting IE to Linux, I just don't see it. If they do though, I will definitely use it. It is just my browser of choice (OS regardless).

Originally posted by Roemello:
<STRONG>I wouldn't use that lowly, junky, piece of crap, sad excuse for a web browser if they payed me to :p ...can't stand the frickin thing so now and forever, it's Internet Explorer all the way baby! :D</STRONG>

Roem you sound like Zorak when you said that.

Now that I look at it...yeah..I kinda did, didn't I? LOL :cool:

Netscape is just alright. I never said it was the best thing out there. Netscape for Linux is better than the Windows version.

I mostly use IE under windows because it loads faster and supports cascading style sheets and javascript better. IE does have MAJOR downfalls though. It is WAY proprietary. If you build a page that works fine under Netscape, it might not work with IE, even if you follow the standards. My 80's web site uses completely generic code, yet it looks different under both.

Microsoft makes their own standards, which are usually different from the rest of the world for some reason.

I don't love Netscape, but under Linux it seems to run ok. Under Windows it has several downfalls. I can't believe some people actually say that IE is pretty stable. Have you not had IE perform illegal operations and shut down the ENTIRE task bar and system tray? I've had mine do that 3 reboots in a row for no reason.

My only point is that so many people stand up for IE and claim its wonderful, great, doesn't crash, runs everything, etc. I started using it 1 1/2 years ago, and I must say, I've had MORE problems with IE over that time that I did with Netscape from 96-2000.

But if people want to support Microsoft and let their bug filled software run their machine, that is their right.

In all my computing years, I have never seen ANYTHING with as many bugs as Windows and IE.

I use both on my end. It's a free country, use what you want. It's just sad to see people worshiping Microsoft when they are well known to NOT follow standards, then people ask "why does it only work under IE?" Hmmmm.

I don't worship Microsoft my any extent...I think their a bunch of jabroni's quite frankly. They are a necessary evil, for me anyway, non-the-less.

Thing is, NS makes my sites look like shit and I ain't no coding genius, so I'll stick with the more forgiving IE. Nonwithstanding that fact, I still just like the way IE's set up better. I get illegal errors once in a great, great while, but overall, it works to perfection for me.

As was said before, to each their own :p

I can´t say that I´m a dedicated fan of Microsoft in any way (be it the software or the politics, see also the XP-topic), but so far, it´s the only OS I get along without much trouble, or better said, how to deal with troubles.

Linux is really nice, but...I´m a really lazy guy. Compare it with driving a car - when I turn the key, I expect it to run. I don´t mind what´s happening then inside of the engine or the transmission...I just want to get ahead. ;)

Like I said before...each browser has it´s pro and cons. At least, when I view my stats, IE is the most used browser, NS is usually following on #3 or #4.

I don´t think we need to argue about the pros and cons - this will be the same like discussing which flavour of soft ice is the better one. ;)

Originally posted by wavemaster:
<STRONG>I don´t think we need to argue about the pros and cons - this will be the same like discussing which flavour of soft ice is the better one. ;)</STRONG>

Vanilla! :p

On topic though, I use what I use because it works for me. If Netscape or Opera or anything else worked better for me, I would be using it. The fact of it is (at least for me), IE works best. The first browser I ever used was Mosaic (http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/) by NCSA. Unfortunately it could not keep pace with Netscape or IE and was lost in the browser battle. As I said before, I used to be a die-hard Netscape fan, but eventually I started getting tired of the crashes and began using IE and until I find something else to replace it, I will continue to do so. If that happens, great! If it doesn't then I'll stick with what works. It's that simple.

Well people can use whatever they want. I just see more and more people saying "I use IE because it is the best thing out there" when it is FAR from the best.

Again, Microsoft has its own standards which don't ever seem to follow the rest of the world, yet people follow Microsoft.

I wouldn't bad mouth IE so much if the damned thing didn't totally lock up your computer when the cache is corrupt, or get GPFs or illegal operations when you try to shut it down.

Truly pathetic programming.

There are several other options, but Microsoft has people thinking that users must use IE. The deal is, the only software truly Windows compatible is made by Microsoft, nothing else works right.

I hate proprietary software, and Microsoft is the root of proprietary.

I happen to be a big fan of Netscape under Linux. Works better than IE does, and I've *never* had it lock up on me.

But if people want to support Microsoft, stand up for them, and say how great they are, but all means, go for it.