http://www.news.com/How-will-Real-ID-affect-you/2009-1028_3-6229517.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news

Q: When does the Real ID Act take effect?
On May 11, a little more than three months from now. But states like California that have agreed to comply and ones like Pennsylvania that have requested a deadline extension are not affected--driver's licenses from those states will continue to work for entering federal buildings and flying commercially.

Q: Who's going to have trouble flying or entering federal buildings starting May 11?
Residents of the five states--Maine, South Carolina, Montana, Oklahoma, and New Hampshire--that have firmly rejected Real ID. Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have not decided yet, meaning they could fall into this category too. [more]http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6128/realidys9.jpg

If you live in one of the NO or POSSIBLY states,your experience flying or going to a Federal building may be severely affected...This is one of the biggest stupidist moves ever made by the federal government.

Looks like a lot of states applied for and received extensions. I've never heard of this. Not exactly sure how I feel about it to tell you the truth..

It's a measure to help ensure that you are who you say you are, that you someone isn't using your ID, that your paperwork checks out, etc.

My guess is that it will be a big stink in the beginning and not turn out to be much in the end, just like the color "Alert" system that we are supposed to care about (By the way, it's Code Beige with just a hint of Dusty Sage today). This is something for hackers to overcome, that's all.

I've said this before about any of the other supposed "rights infringements"....if you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

I've said this before about any of the other supposed "rights infringements"....if you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?


I have to agree. This might actually help in the long run..

Exactly. I have a friend who's all worried about things like this. She won't get a cell phone with GPS because she "doesn't want the government being able to know where she is".

I'm like, well dear....unless you're Tony freakin' Montana or a terrorist, what makes you think the government even knows who the hell you are let alone they would want to come looking for you?

It's ridiculous paranoia.

Exactly. I have a friend who's all worried about things like this. She won't get a cell phone with GPS because she "doesn't want the government being able to know where she is".

I'm like, well dear....unless you're Tony freakin' Montana or a terrorist, what makes you think the government even knows who the hell you are let alone they would want to come looking for you?

It's ridiculous paranoia.



I’m not an American but I have many friends who are who think that people are still stinging over The Homeland Security Act and the idea that bill by bill, law by law, their personal freedoms are being striped away quietly, one at a time. As a writer, I detest censorship of any kind because I feel it infringes on my personal rights. This whole “Real ID” thing is not so different. Right now we put microchips in our pets so that if they become lost we have a way to help find them and bring them home.:bunny: Soon, we will have a modified version (complete with the dreaded GPS Tracker) implanted in our children and Child Abduction will be a thing of the past.:thumb: However, once we grow to adulthood, the powers that be will still be able to track our every movement. I for one don’t like that part.:tsk: If you think I’m kidding or just being paranoid, look it up cause this plan has been in the works since the day the technology reached our current level of sophistication.

Besides, I hear Rick James and his legion of The Undead can track us without a GPS.:lol:

Luckily, even if Louisiana doesn't comply, I have a military ID that will get me into any federal building and on any flight. :lol:

Bring it! I have nothing to hide and I could care less if "the man" is watching me. :D If it helps keep terrorists off our airplanes and out of office buildings then GO FOR IT.

Well, this card doesn't really bother me, but I'm not ok with the government snooping into my business in general. I don't fly or enter federal buildings that much, so I'm not sure I'll care until I need to do one of those things.

I'd like to know how they can be assured that terrorists can't get their hands on these cards.

As for having something to hide, I don't like that argument, as if I have to allow the government in my business just to prove I don't have anything to hide. My take is the government needs to prove they have a reason to need to be in my business.

I don't fly so I don't care about that.

Otherwise, what Buccy said. :)

I wonder if my "Transportation Worker Identification Card" (Federally issued and required for anyone working at a seaport or Airport), would count against "Real-ID"

To each their own...that's what makes the world go round.

All I know is that not once since all our personal freedoms have started allegedly being stripped away have I ever felt mine were. Not a thing has changed about how my life is being lived, so I'd really like to know exactly how my freedoms have been taken away...cause I sure don't notice it. :lol:

Since Chooch and I rarely (if ever) Fly, this whole thing doesn't matter to me anyway. Only reason we'd ever fly is if it took more then 2 days to drive to wherever we are going or you can't drive there at all!

Exactly. I have a friend who's all worried about things like this. She won't get a cell phone with GPS because she "doesn't want the government being able to know where she is".Its a privacy issue,THE GOVT. HAS NO RIGHT INVADING IT FOR ANY REASON!

Its a privacy issue,THE GOVT. HAS NO RIGHT INVADING IT FOR ANY REASON!

Well, that not entirely true. If the government can show probable cause, they do have the right to invade your privacy.

And come to think of it, I'm not sure this card would really violate anyone's "right to privacy". You are not required to ride in an airplane or enter a federal building, nor do you have the right to do so. Such things are a priviledge, something not guaranteed by the constitution. Therefore, you are not required to get one of these cards, provided you are content to stay out of planes and court buildings. ;)

I hardly fly too. I have a passport. I had to divulge all kinds of information to obtain that. I bet this REAL ID will need the same type of information. If this will keep terrorists and illegals from getting around the country and getting into buildings where sensitive documents are kept i'm all for it.

I have nothing to hide. I'm afraid if the government pried into my private life they'd be really bored.

I'm afraid if the government pried into my private life they'd be really bored.
:laugh:

I don't fly plus I live in Pennsylvania. Even if I did fly, so what, give me the card. I have nothing to hide anymore. Even what I did have to hide, I'm sure the government didn't care about.

:laugh:

:lol: It's true!

I don't fly that much, but I live about 10 mins from the Canadian border. I think it's a good idea, and since I need to get a new ID soon, I'm going to get it.
This day in age, we need to realize that a lot of our "freedoms" aren't there anymore. I'm not paranoid about getting this, because I have nothing to hide.

nice...it's not cheap, and there's no proposals for assisting states with the cost:

http://www.ncsl.org/realid/

"Countdown to REAL ID (May 11, 2008)
78 days, 11 hours, 31 minutes, 18 seconds


On January 11, 2008, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) released the final regulations to implement the requirements of the Real ID. The release of the final regulations is a mere 120 days prior to the implementation deadline established in the Real ID Act. DHS estimates the costs for states to implement the Real ID will not exceed $3.9 billion.

On May 11, 2008, state driver's licenses and identification cards will not be accepted for federal purposes unless DHS determines a state is compliant with the Real ID or a state has been approved for an extension by DHS. States will have until March 31, 2008 to seek an initial extension of the Real ID compliance date.

According to a study conducted by NCSL, the National Governors Association and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, the act will cost states more than $11 billion to implement over five years and will have a major impact on services to the public.

To date, Congress has appropriated only $90 million to assist states with implementation of the Real ID, of which only $6 million has been obligated. The President's budget proposals have not included any funding requests to assist states with the implementation of the Real ID. "


A new card sounds harmless enough, and you need a birth certificate, photo i.d., and social security card to get one. That's pretty much what I needed just to renew my driver's license.
But for the cost, it's ridiculous. We need that money for so many other important matters in the U.S.

and after people start losing their 'real-ids', the gov't will probably try to make it mandatory to have a computer chip injected into us, so we don't have to worry about losing anything. That's where I draw the line.

Much ado about NOTHING.


The card, must meet federal guidelines. Which include:
the person's full legal name, signature, date of birth, gender, driver's license or identification card number. It also includes a photograph of the person's face and the address of principal residence. It is required to have physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

Guess what? Most state IDs or Drivers licenses already have all that information. So, what's the big deal?

Why are you getting all worked up because they want you to have an ID that is tamper proof, and has everything a driver's license would have anyway?

My driver's license doesn't have my social security number anymore, which is supposed to be a safety feature, but I have to carry my social security card around now, too, when I need to do anything....like, say, renew my friggin' license. And it can't be laminated, which means my husband needs a new one because he was "smart" once and covered his in book tape because it was falling apart. :rolleyes:

ANYWAYZ....would it have my SS# and would I be able to use it instead of my license? How much is it going to cost the general public to obtain one?

Also, if I don't have it and I kill this silly bitch at work, does that mean I'm safe because I'm not allowed in the court house? :lol:

I laminated my SS card back when I was like 14, cause I didn't read the fine print ;) and I've NEVER had a problem using it.

Luckily, I have a valid US passport, so I won't be too affected by this new security measure too much, but I'm sure it will still cause headaches while trying to clear security and/or customs in the bigger airports, especially if there are two separate lines for Non-Real ID holders and ones who do have one. I guess it's a good thing that I'm flying to Istanbul, Turkey, on March 4, before the May deadline! :eek:

Just thought of this, My brother's Wife works at the local Federal Courthouse as a court clerk. I wonder if she got hers. I'll have to ask her about that when I pick up chooch after work.

Personally I don't care if the gov't want to stick a GPS on me, listen to every call I ever make , search my garbage, with the war on terrorism how do you expect to win if the other side doesn't play nice, do what has to be done, ruffle a few feathers by infringing on peoples rights. Hopefully downloading nude pics of the chick from High School Musical doesn't send me to Gautanimo Bay

What if you don't have your SS card? I don't know where mine went to. I haven't had it in years, but I know my SS# by heart. I guess I'm screwed.

Hopefully downloading nude pics of the chick from High School Musical doesn't send me to Gautanimo Bay

:laugh: Nice!

What if you don't have your SS card? I don't know where mine went to. I haven't had it in years, but I know my SS# by heart. I guess I'm screwed.

Call your local SS office. They can tell you how to obtain another one. There may be a fee involved. I don't know where mine is either. Have never needed it though.

I think the issue here isn't so much the information required to obtain one. It's the fact that some people believe this could lead to having to prove you are a citizen for everything. Kind of like the Nazis made people carry their papers.
From what I hear, conpsiracy theorists say this is just the next step befor the implanted chip. Which will end up being required for everything from buying gas to flying on planes.

This card doesn't scare me. But the idea of the implanted device does. I hope it never comes to that.

Of course, it would be nice if I could carry only one form of ID in stead of the many cards I must carry now. I currently have to carry--- Driver's Lisence, Concealed Handgun Lisence, Social Security Card, Passport, Transportation Worker Identification Credentials, National Registry EMT Identification, State EMT Identification, Fire Department Identification, County Emergency Responder ID, and my work ID.

I am one well identified SOB. :rollin:

Sheesh, :rolleyes: it's prolly to get people like me up to date. I have an old drivers license with an old last name, very old addr and a semi old pict. But the date on the license is good. :lol: