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Solace
5-29-02, 08:40 PM
Ticketmaster's Stranglehold over Music & Politics

by Dave Marsh

Ticketmaster now charges "convenience" fees up to 60 percent on concert tickets: They get $9 on the $15 tickets to John Mayer's shows, for instance.

There's nothing Mayer can do to evade this "convenience," unless he'd like to play way joints tiny or hard to find or otherwise inconvenient.

'Til recently, there has been a way around Ticketmaster's "convenience." An artist holds a percentage of tickets for its fan club. Most artists hold 10 percent, but Dave Matthews, probably the biggest concert draw in North America, holds about half the tickets to his shows. Ticketmaster's various "conveniences" do not apply to such sales. Some--not many--artists add their own surcharges, but those are always far less than Ticketmaster would apply.

Ticketmaster doesn't like the practicing of not offering concert-goers its conveniences. A couple weeks ago, venues and concert promoters around the country received letters from Ticketmaster, which controls sales at virtually all of them. The letter claimed that artist holds for fan clubs violate Ticketmaster contracts. A week or so later, Ticketmaster sent another letter, modifying the earlier one. According to this latest missive, artists can hold back no more than eight per cent of their tickets, and they can only sell them to fan clubs of which Ticketmaster approves--there has to be an annual fee of at least $15, for instance.

There is nothing you, me, Pearl Jam or Dave Matthews can do to change the situation. Under the Clinton-Gore administration, even after a Congressional hearing at which Pearl Jam and others (including me) testified to the effects of Ticketmaster's stranglehold, the Justice Department ruled--against the advice of most of its Antitrust division staff--that Ticketmaster shouldn't be sanctioned as a monopoly. (The fact that Ticketmaster employed Mickey Kantor, the Clinton "trade representative," may have helped the company.) It is hardly likely that the Bush gang is going to be more consumer friendly.

Fans cannot turn to alternative ticket providers. Ticketmaster drove them all out of business. Artists cannot turn to alternative venues and promoters because as part of its fanatic "free market" philosophy, the Bush-Clinton-Bush administration decided not to enforce those. The result is one company, Clear Channel, controlling virtually all American venues and promoters. Fans can't count on using the publicly-owned airwaves to express their discontent with being inconvenienced because Clear Channel also owns virtually all the radio stations. We could call our Congressmen and demand a law against it, but that law wouldn't be enforced because:



a) it wouldn't pass because Ticketmaster would outspend us on lobbying,

b) our congressmen believe in unregulated free-market capitalism, and

c) our government doesn't enforce such laws (see beginning of paragraph).




Incidentally, guess who owns Ticketmaster? Barry Diller's U.S.A. Networks. Which were just sold to Vivendi. Which just happens to own Universal, the record company that controls 40 percent of the U.S. market and belongs to what the Federal Trade Commission calls a major label "cartel."

For the past 20 years, we have stood by while free market fanatics and cowed liberals beat their chests over the wisdom of the market, the genius of privatization, the global triumph of capitalism. This is the result.

So enjoy this summer's shows--if you can afford them. I am sure that Ronald Perelman or some other billionaire privateer will be shaking his fat ass in the front rows. You should smile broadly as you watch that person pretend to enjoy the show. What they're really enjoying is the convenience you've provided by swallowing the bogus rhetoric of the capitalists.

"Corrupted by wealth & power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side & a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."

Let's hear YOUR thoughts...

Tinajo
5-30-02, 12:14 AM
Wow.. good article! I very rarely go to concerts anymore.. unless it something that I just HAVE to see.... sucks getting ripped off, doesn't it? Sooner or kater, it will really hurt the artists.. maybe something will change then, but I don;t see that happening anytime in the near future. :(

txgirl
5-30-02, 12:26 AM
I with you Tinajo...I only go to a concert if I absolutely can't miss it. Ticket cost today are outrageous! The only way I get around a huge cost is to go to an event like The Whorde Fest where you have an opportunity to hear several bands. That is actually where I heard Dave Matthews for the first time several years ago.

It is definitely not like the past where you could expect to go to at least one show per month. The cost is just way to high.

ImSoooSure
5-30-02, 02:27 AM
I don't go to too many big shows anymore either. I prefer to go to smaller ones like when The Offspring, Third Eye Blind and groups like that come to the local college or something. The tickets are usually cheaper or sometimes free! Third Eye Blind actually played at our fairgrounds free last fall. Otherwise, I tend to skip the concerts. It is really expensive. Too bad!

space-invader
5-30-02, 07:22 AM
interesting stuff!
i rarely go to concerts these days...the price of them have really skyrocketed in the last few years

Tydestra
5-30-02, 07:33 AM
:shh: Swear you guys to me that you didn't get it from me... here's a little bitty secret to geting ticket for any show, big or small always and sometimes a bit cheaper.

Every concert has an X number of tickets that have to be set aside, let it be for the band's fan club or radio promotion. No show is ever truly SOLD OUT:) Not all of these tickets get used up. Of course the ticket booth people won't tell that they have any tickets left... you have to ask them by code. I don't remember the code... but it works.

That and making sure one of your good buddies works for ticket master :D Works like a charm for me :p

Most of the shows I go to are super small these days, so I don't pay no more than 20bucks per gig :)

Det.RicardoTubbs
5-30-02, 07:40 AM
I've never liked big draw concerts or large venues. Live Aid was pretty cool, but (IMO) no good live acts have come out in the past 10 years or so that I would take the time to see unless it was a small setting.

Does this Ticketmaster fiasco suck? Yep.
Is it just a sign of a larger problem in corporate politics? Yes.
Do I think most of these acts actually care who is filling the stands or how much they pay? NO. In the end, if a band or singer has taken the road of commercial success its about the $$$$ and not art or fans.

Iluvthe80s
5-30-02, 07:57 AM
This is one of the reasons I don't go to big arena shows anymore. I just can't afford them! For instance, in September the Rolling Stones will come to San Antonio and I would love to see them. The tickets supposedly will start out at $80!!! That is crazy!

Tydestra
5-30-02, 08:05 AM
I know! I love the Stones, but they should be charging less, not the age of the band members. :lol:

Taz
5-30-02, 09:03 AM
I just recently bought tickets to see Deep Purple, Scorpions & DIO... for 3 tickets it cost me total $150. :bigeek: Sheesh!! Ticketmaster really screws you bad... and they aren't gentle about it either.... assclowns! :rolleyes:

Pagan
5-30-02, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Taz
I just recently bought tickets to see Deep Purple, Scorpions & DIO... for 3 tickets it cost me total $150. :bigeek: Sheesh!! Ticketmaster really screws you bad... and they aren't gentle about it either.... assclowns! :rolleyes:

Yes, but in comparison $50 for three good bands is a good deal. RUSH tickets were going for $75, and that's with no opening act!

PS - Jeff said he's coming bro, so it'll be the three of us at that show! :thumb:

Taz
5-30-02, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Pagan
PS - Jeff said he's coming bro, so it'll be the three of us at that show! :thumb:


Kewl!! Boys night out!! watch out! :lol:

jen*
5-30-02, 03:37 PM
Lets hope that when Livesay plays the large venues, Ticketmaster isn't giving it to them up the you-know-what. Look out boys. :rant:

Pagan
5-30-02, 03:53 PM
Well...one way around it is to buy your tickets from the arena box office. That sidesteps Ticketmaster completely.

Don't worry Jen....we'll get you a ticket! :D

aaron
5-30-02, 04:34 PM
The only decent concert I have ever went to was Boston back in 1997. Their 96 tour tickets were like $36, but the show was cancelled. I bought a ticket next year and it was a little cheaper. At the time though, the $32 (or whatever I paid) was a lot of green because my income sucked.

But the Greatest Hits tour was well worth the green!

cultleader
5-30-02, 04:43 PM
Luckily most bands I go to see play small clubs,so I don't have to put any money into ticketmasters pockets but occasionally a show comes around that I just can't miss(Social Distortion on June 14)so I just have to suck it up and pay,I'm not happy about it,but I do it.

Christine
5-30-02, 04:55 PM
I hate Ticketmaster!! :mad: But it is unavoidable unfortunately!! Lately, they charged me about $30 in fees! But what could I do about it? I want the tickets...Ticketmaster sucks. What are they going to do with all that extra money? Rip more people off? :bs:

Pippi
5-30-02, 05:24 PM
I am not a big fan of Ticketmaster. I use them because it is easy and convenient for sports events and concerts. They were very helpful when I was trying to get tickets to see Michael Jordan in Washington.

I think their fees are crazy, but I normally end up paying their prices no matter what.

aaron
5-30-02, 05:39 PM
I guess how much I will pay depends on the price of the ticket and how bad I want to see the band.

For example, I am not a fan of the Eagles (don't hate them, don't love them), but I would go see them in concert. I heard that local ticket prices for their 1994 concert were around $100 each. No way in hell I'm paying that.

Most of the 80's bands that have been coming around are WAY too overpriced. I would like to see Rick Springfield if he ever came to Portland, but I could only imagine the ticket prices.

Reminds me of the Blazer tickets. Our local basketball team. I heard a few years ago that the tickets cost around $42 per person. The Blazers are not a very good team, they always trade off the good players for those who suck. Anyway, people bitch the tickets are too high, but they will pay it! There is an easy way to get them to lower the prices: DON'T PAY IT! If enough people don't pay the cost, they will get lowered.

Even with my Boston concert tickets I would have only gone so high. I was willing to go as high as $50, but that's about it.

Sure you really really want to see your favorite band, but are you willing to part with $75+ for a 2-3 hour show?

They only charge so much because they know people will pay it.

I'm sure lame concerts like N Sync and Backdoor boys aren't cheap either (I don't know what they cost, I have no desire to go see any), but if these lame bands are new and unknown, a ticket might cost $10-$15 bucks. But once they get known and the little girls drool over them, up the prices go! They know the fans will cough up the cash.

Simply put, the way to get lower ticket prices is to not pay them. When they don't sell anywhere near what they expected, the prices will come down. But when people bite down and say "well... yeah $100 is a lot to go see <insert favorite band>, but I REALLY want to see them!" then BOOM!, you are willing to pay for it, so they will charge as much as they can.

Tinajo
5-30-02, 06:55 PM
Well, aaron.. the problem is.. that people WILL pay the prices... no one's going on strike here..

By the way, 'NSYNC tickets range anywhere from $50-$100 depending on your seats... I just saw them in Orlando last month at $50 a seat... (it was well worth it and I would have paid for the $100 seats had it not sold out in the first 10 minutes :( )


I have to REALLY like a band to pay over $30 a ticket... and right now... the only band that I would see at that price IS 'NSYNC.... and I paid $50 a ticket for KISS... but other than that.. I really could care less if I go to any more concerts this year...

aaron
5-30-02, 07:30 PM
Yes I understand that Tina, but my point is, if people really hated paying the high prices, they wouldn't pay them. Period.

Like the concert I went to. I desperately wanted to see the band, but had the tickets cost over $50, no way.

People want to see the event bad enough that they are willing to pay almost any price. Of course people bitch that they don't want to pay $50 or $100 for the ticket, but the fact remains, they do.

Obviously people are paying those costs or else they wouldn't be so high.

Most promoters know the bands aren't worth the really high prices, but they know people will pay it, so they charge that. I don't think some of these huge bands are worth $75 per ticket, and often even the promoter knows that most people cannot afford that kind of money, but people still pay it. Just like N Sync. The only reason for those high prices are because people pay it. If sales sucked, down they come.

That's what it comes down to.

This is why I brought up the Blazer games. Our team pretty much sucks, and $40 is WAY too high for them. In fact, a few years ago a local TV station was interviewing customers and they all had two things in common: 1) they all bitched that the ticket prices were too high, but 2) they all paid it anyway. This is why the prices didn't come down for a long time. Ok so people complain, but that doesn't stop them from buying the tickets.

Actually, the Blazer tickets used to be even higher than the overpriced $40. But to prove my point about lack of attendance = lower prices, after several games when the news channel said they fewer and fewer people were going because ticket prices were so high, the prices started coming down and down, then all of the sudden, attendance was up!

But alas, most people will pay for overpriced concert tickets because they want to see the band so bad, and the promoters know this and take advantage of it.

They ain't going broke, that's for sure.

Anyway, I'm not arguing the point. Some people will pay the prices, but not all. My mom wanted to go see Kenny G years ago, but she refused to pay the high prices.

Some people will pay the price no matter how high it is. Must be nice having that kind of money.

I am surprised you like N Sync so much. I have never met anybody that wasn't a teen who liked them. Well to each his own. :)